Trump is the Perfect Sore Loser

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Bill Huffman, Nov 7, 2020.

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Its not about convincing me. Who an I?
    I have '0' affect on what Trump teams does or think.
    I was posting what I think the believes of Trump team that fights what they preserve as injustice.
    Obviously most of them will accept the ruling of the highest court.
    But as I mentioned earlier they will use all the legal tools constitutionally available to them as not all are convinced.
    Not that they don't trust the court, its more like system is putting to many obstacles.
    Since SCOTUS made a decision I'm sure majority of Trump voters are relived and leaving the suspicions behind moving on.
     
  2. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    No. They aren’t. Any more than the Birthers moved on.
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Fail. They don't argue that in court.
    So?
    So?

    Today is the safe harbor day. A sufficient number of states with a sufficient number of EC votes to make Biden the next president have been certified. Fiddle-dee-dee.
     
  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I see. It's good that you don't fully believe this claim that Trump really won the election by a landslide. But just incase it really turns out that many millions of fraudulent votes turn out to have been tabulated you're just spreading Trump's lies to the DegreeInfo forum as a public service.
     
  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill,

    False - Your post is inaccurate and you are just spreading inaccurate statements to the DegreeInfo forum.
    You are saying that needed many millions of fraudulent votes to be tabulated but you know that this is not about popular vote but electors.
    And in some states all you need is ten thousand + votes to change the state results from one candidate to another.
    We need to look at state by state. I'm using approximate numbers as my memory serves me.
    How many more votes Biden got in PA over Trump? 80K
    How many more votes Biden got in GA over Trump? 12K
    How many more votes Biden got in Arizona over Trump? 11K
    How many votes Biden got in Wisconsin over Trump? 20K
    So total in this 4 states Biden got 120K + votes over Trump.

    Unless I have wrong #'s the margins are small and all that was needed is per state tens of thousands of votes to give the state to Biden. Not millions as you claim.
    So assuming someone wanted to cheat and tabulate false ballots all hat was needed if adding NV, and some other states is 140K to 200K of false ballots.
     
  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    You are doing the calculations to barely squeak out a win. Trumps claim is that he won in a landslide. A landslide win would have to be much more than just barely getting the win. A landslide win should at least win the popular vote, I would think and winning the popular vote by a good margin.
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Yes, I see your point on landslide. But winning these 4 to 5 states all that was needed is less than 200K votes.Add insurance so double it. still not dramatic #'s.
    I think they mean that in these 4 to 5 states hundred of thousands false ballots and unverified ballots with other irregularities took place, trowing away disposing of Trump votes, the other claim is that voting rules changed in these states are unconstitutional.
    So far non of it was proven in court.
    Now these 4 states due to TX lawsuit to SCOTUS need to provide responses by Thursday 3 PM.
    I don't know if this is a standard procedure or what.
     
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2020
  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

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  9. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Lerner you are still ignoring how elections work. It isn't a couple hundred thousand votes Trump is trying to suppress. It's the entire vote of whole states. I keep trying to get it through your head. You can’t pick and choose which votes to accept once the election is completed. Either a state's electoral votes count or they don't. Quit listening to a fat talk radio blowhard and start reading the pleadings themselves. You'll see that the Trump lawyers say very different things in court than Trump says to the public.
     
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  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    My understanding that if votes are illegal the court can order not to count the false, illegal votes?

    So pick and choose among legal valid votes is not acceptable but pick and choose between legal and false votes maybe a different situation.
    Court can tell not to count false , fake, illegal votes.
     
  11. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    No. It is NOT a "different situation". The decision to accept the ballot happens at the vote. The ballots CANNOT be traced to individual voters. There is NO PHYSICAL WAY to trace a given ballot to a given voter. That is why Trump has to disenfranchise WHOLE STATES in order to steal the election.
     
  12. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I have repeatedly explained this before and I'm done feeding the troll.
     
  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Yup.
     
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It doesn't work that way.

    This is a fantasy designed to drive up contributions to Trump, much of which will end up in his pocket. He's been a grifter all of his life, but now his target is gullible Republican voters. Frankly, I'm good with that.
     
  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Of which there are none. At least, according to the Trump case filings. You know, where lying is punishable as a crime.
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The point I was trying to make is IF there were illegal votes, irregularities THEN the court can order not to count.
    The people who signed affidavits alleged irregularities.
    The court looked at this, stated there is no case.
    Are you saying to ignore all the complainants, what if there is merit to these?
    So as I posted, it was good that court addressed the lawsuits. But this were it should stop.

    I'm not ready to call people who come forward pointing to irregularities liars.
    Some maybe but there are also many genuine concerned citizens.

    So all the valid votes need to be counted and all if proven invalid, fake, altered etc shouldn't be counted be it for Trump or Biden.
     
  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    What if there is a missing signature? And state regulation is only signed ballot is to be accepted? Still count it? And if pole worker reports irregularity not following rules , ignore it?
    I'm not trolling.
     
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Texas Attorney General explains state's Supreme Court election integrity lawsuit


     
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2020
  19. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Sorry. Still no dice. There IS NO signature on the ballot. That's another Trump lie. Have you never voted?
     
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    It doesn't work that way. As you've been told multiple times. It is an important part of our democracy that we have secret ballots. That means once someone's vote is accepted then it cannot be differentiated from any of the other ballots.
     
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