St. Regis will not be listed by UNESCO/International Handbook of Universities

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by John Bear, Aug 14, 2003.

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  1. Jeff Hampton

    Jeff Hampton New Member

    I did a whois search on the domain distancedegree.edu.pk. (which was a bit tricky, since it's a Pakistan domain, and you have to go to their NIC.) Anyway, guess who the owner is....

    Saint Regis University

    33-K/I Model Town
    Lahore
    Pakistan

    Trademarks: SRU
    Main Contact: Dr. Blake
    Phone: 042-5853153
    Create Date: 14-Apr-2003
    Paid Until Date: 14-Apr-2005

    Atif Hameed (PKT-3259)
    Organization: eTechsol.com
    Address: 38 -Lawrence Road Lahore Pakistan
    Phone: 92-42-6364870

    svr1.usdegrees.usdegrees.com
    svr2.usdegrees.usdegrees.com
     
  2. MarkIsrael@aol.com

    [email protected] New Member

    The provost of Saint Regis University is Blake Carlson, but he doesn't use the name "Blake" anywhere on the SRU Website: he just calls himself "Dr Carlson".

    Is "Dr Blake" his alter ego?
     
  3. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    St. Regis owns the website?? And who would have ever guessed??
     
  4. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    This, of course, would be Dr. Blake Carlson, Saint Regis University's Provost and Chief Academic Officer. (On St. Regis’s Web site he is listed only as Dr. Carlson; I guess he has a problem using his full name.)

    Dr. Carlson is also listed as the co-founder and Chief Executive Officer of World Chapel Ministries, whose purpose is to help “Christians through their life experiences, missions and ministry attain valid, government recognized degrees, ordinations and certifications.” The World Chapel Web site includes testimonials from World Chapel “alumni.” They make for both humorous and extremely sad reading.
     
  5. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Not removed, just edited to remove the portion where you tried to provoke both Dennis and me.

    Everyone gets one warning, John, and this is yours. Once more and you're gone.

    If you want to defend Saint Regis University, fine, we give a lot of leeway here in that regards. You stepped way over the line, however.
     
  6. To All,

    It's a full-time job replying to all posters individually and I don't think that I can cope with that.

    So, some brief answers to some of you.

    I agree with Dr. Bear and others that all this name-calling will have to stop. Dr. Bear, I can assure you that's simply the ugly result of inflamed emotions caused by what has been happening in the last couple of years. I hope you understand.

    I haven't been to the distancedegree.edu.pk since yesterday and I didn't get the chance to communicate with anyone there. I'll see that all those emotional outbursts are removed from the forum. If they are not, I may even stop posting there. But, please give me time. I won't expect you to delete similar posts from your forum in return, as that will never happen. I would expect though some measure of restraint at least.

    For example, my friend Gus, after intelligently seing through my apparent sarcasm in that post directed to Dennis, he detected the "obvious" to him fact that my post was a real and genuine diagnosis of Dennis's supposed condition. He actually defined Dennis as a "patient" of mine. After this conclusion, obvious to every intelligent person like Gus, he decided that I am a fraud and if I were in the US I would be liable to prosecution! Wow!!! I'm impressed.

    Dr. Bear, I'm proud of my other Alma Mater, CPU (see my posts about CPU in distancedegree). I don't know what happened after 1996. I was lucky to have graduated during CPU's "golden era". And, I chose CPU after reading not one, but several of your books, and I want to thank you for strongly recommending it. I've never had any regrets for choosing CPU. I received a first class education and I was able to obtain a license to practice my profession in two countries. Definitely and most assuredly, Dr. Bear had nothing to do with CPU's later demise which could not have been predicted by anyone.

    I apologize to those posters I haven't replied yet. I'll try at some later time.

    Best regards to all (even Gus and Dennis),

    John
     
  7. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Based on the following quotation from SRU President Thomas Carper:

    quote:8. degreeinfo says (without any proof or supporting documentation) that the Liberian government has accepted bribes - But once communications are restored and SRU can obtain documentation and can contact their attorneys, degreeinfo will receive legal papers regarding these defamatory issues. Our accreditation is valid. A new government will be installed in October bringing new order. Our patience will be rewarded.


    The beautiful thing about defending a lawsuit is called discovery.
     
  8. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member


    Yes - I gargled afterwards. And bit my tongue.
     
  9. Hey guys, I'm getting hooked here! I just can't get away from my computer.

    Bruce, don't tell me you also believed that my post to Dennis was an actual diagnosis. Come on guys, you crack all kinds of jokes yourselves but you can't really take or you fail to understand a joke.

    Don't tell me you also believed that my statement about Dennis and his father was actually true. Poor Dennis, I'm sorry.

    OK, for those who cannot understand. The whole thing was of course just a parody of a certain type of "reasoning" and drawing "conclusions", nothing more to that. I just wanted to make a point in a rather colorful and very effective way. And, Bruce, why don't you remove the entire post? Why did you just leave a single paragraph there?

    Dennis,

    I'm glad you feel that all that transpired here today "makes you look good". If I'm allowed, I may post more similar posts to you to make you feel even better!

    Regards to all,

    John
     
  10. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    Are so ethically challenged that you cannot see that joking about such matters on a public forum may be even more cause for concern than if you were serious? You didn’t use the term “supposed” or any of the usual CYA terms that most health care practitioners typically employ. On the contrary, you actually prefaced your comments by stating that you were speaking “seriously.” All you are doing now, in the face of gross ethical misconduct, is backpedaling. Legitimate health care professionals do not joke or employ sarcasm about such matters. Instead, they go the extra mile to avoid even the perception of impropriety.

    No, I did not. You characterized Dennis as a patient the moment you proffered a diagnosis and characterized it as serious. Moreover, you offered to help him and stated that you have treated hundreds of people with the same problem.

    Why is it that those who promote fraudulent schools and credentials believe that sarcasm is an appropriate substitute for the truth? Nothing in your post has disproved my assertion that you are a fraud.

    Backpedal all you want, but methinks your education is showing.
     
  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Re: Problems in the brain areas?

    I would like to add entertaining professor to the list.
     
  12. This is definitely the last one.

    Jeff,

    Thank you for making the effort to visit SRU's electronic journal.

    You can access the actual dissertations and other works by simply sending an email to the university. The instructions are there.

    A clarification: Not all works published in the SRU electronic journal have been or are going to be used as part of someone's degree program. Alumni sometimes present papers of all sorts which may be published there.

    And, another piece of information which, I know, will be appreciated by those of you who are fair minded and objective (and that's many of you, despite your sarcasm and jokes which I, in fact, have started to enjoy). SRU is going through a serious and major phase of thorough restructuring which will be completed soon. So, not everything, including the electronic journal, is well organized as yet.

    Those of you with an interest in the subject, please, keep this in mind. What was in the past, is in the past, nothing to do with the present.

    Dr. Bear will remember, many years ago, that he criticized - and rightly so - certain schools in his books for being questionable or less than desirable. But, after a while, Dr. Bear would recheck some of these schools and find them much improved in all areas, to the point, in a few instances, that he would recommend them in newer editions of his book. Undoubtedly, Dr Bear's criticism played a major role in the improvement of those schools.

    Regards to all,

    John
     
  13. Poor Gus!!!

    Yours,

    John
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    John I took it as a bad joke.

    P.S. The quality of a school is defined more by the worst graduate rather than the best graduate. This is true for all schools but especially true for "less than wonderful" schools. This seems to be a fact that is missed by most people that try to defend degree mills.
     
  15. MarkIsrael@aol.com

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    How's this for having it both ways?

    "There have been very significant changes at SRU since it gained accreditation from the Liberian MoE last August, and SRU as it is now is, as you say, a unique institution with a highly dynamic outlook." -- Dr. Seyed, Aug 12th, 2003

    "SRU was granted full accreditation by the Liberian Ministry of Education and the Commission for Higher Education, following four years of candidacy (1998-2002)." -- John S. Dovelos, Aug 17th, 2003

    "Although some folks, in particular the degree info people, have said a lot of questionable things about SRU and its mission, and have tried to tie SRU to the current Monrovian political unrest, SRU was chartered before Charles taylor came to power. So John Bear's impression is false. [...] SRU has at no time condoned nor collaborated with taylor's warlord regime." -- Robert Stefaniak, Aug 19th, 2003
     
  16. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    First,
    Then,
    Some of life’s most basic concepts (such as integrity and truth) truly elude you, don’t they? :rolleyes:
     
  17. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    I tried an internet search for all of John's publications and accomplishments. Couldn't even find a grocery list. As a department head of a prestigious university like St Regis, he certainly must be one of the more respected people in his field. Or perhaps not.
     
  18. Jeff Hampton

    Jeff Hampton New Member

    A clarification: The book report to which I referred earlier states at the top, "Submitted to the Department of Business Administration and the Committee on Graduate Studies of St Regis University in Fulfillment of the requirements for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy."

    Well, at the present, this alleged dissertation is featured on St. Regis' web site. I'm guessing that this is because it is considered an exemplery. But it doesn't matter because the school is defined by its minimum standards.
     
  19. Maybe Dr Bear will come back for a final performance. The Rolling Stones and Elton John have done it.
    Earon:eek:
     
  20. MarkIsrael@aol.com

    [email protected] New Member

    From http://www.hep.uiuc.edu/home/g-gollin/nonCHEA/ :

    "The IP addresses for a number of schools with Liberian National Board of Education recognition are closely clustered. Here is a table:
    Organization IP address (as of 8/16/03) domain
    University Services 216.171.216.121 university-services.net
    National Board of Education 216.171.216.167 nationalboardedu.com
    American Capital University 216.171.216.169 americancapitalu.com
    Saint Regis University 216.171.217.118 saintregis.edu.lr
    Robertstown University 216.171.217.187 robertstownuniversity.ac
    Saint Regis University 216.171.217.188 stregis.ac
    Distance Education Discussion Forum 216.171.217.190 distancedegree.edu.pk
    James Monroe University 216.171.217.191 jmuniversity.ac "

    Permit me to add:

    World Chapel Ministries 216.171.216.236 worldchapel.com
    A College Degree In Your Spare Time 216.171.74.182 4acollegedegree.com

    How can Pakistan, Liberia, and the Ascension Islands be so close in cyberspace?
     
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