Some Arab Americans who voted for Trump are concerned about his picks for key positions

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  1. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Sarek: Tellarites do not argue for reasons. They simply argue.
     
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Tellarites derived satisfaction from the act of debate itself.
    I'm a big fan of Star Trek, but I'm not a different specie :)
    Spock's estranged father Sarek, I remeber.
     
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Even President Biden rejects the outrageous arrest warrants of the International Criminal Court against Netanyahu and Gallant.
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  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

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  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The belief that information from the Gaza Strip is reliable and practically unquestionable is one of the most absurd presumptions regarding the Israel-Hamas war across the world. In actuality, the Hamas propaganda unit is the real source of information, regardless of the source you decide to read (unless it is Israeli).

    You can read the statements made by those government offices, the UN reports (which always contain thanks to such spokespeople), academic or press publications that rely on this information, or some downstream. Those "reporters" don't even claim to have verified the facts, unless there are scarce instances (and the majority of those are false). Their sole attempt is to obscure the source, or worse, to regard two sources as independent without tracing the information back to the original source.

    Since the Gaza Strip's free speech ranking before this war was comparable to that of North Korea, it is more reasonable to assume that Hamas viewed anyone claiming to be a journalist as an operative. It goes without saying that the Western media assumes that as long as Hamas's logo isn't displayed, it does not influence information.
     
  6. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Active Member

    Biden doesn't even know what year it is.
     
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't say that. I think it is that Biden has always been a very huge supporter of Israel. Despite Netanyahu stabbing him in the back, he's still a huge supporter of Israel. I have to assume that he's looking at it from the point of view that Netanyahu will likely soon be gone. Israel is surrounded by mortal enemies (Iran and Iranian cronies) and not super friendly neighbors and so need our continued support. That is even if Netanyahu is a war criminal. Biden supports Israel but not Netanyahu so much.
     
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I expect like a lot of people in his situation, Biden has good days and bad days. But since no one close to him would tell us anything, we can only speculate.
     
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  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    World is upside down,

    Iran, China in UN protesting human rights violations, when they are among those who violate those.
    UN maybe needs to be reform?
     
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    "Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty."

    The UN is irredeemable. Better to drown it and start over with an international forum for which being a liberal democracy is a requirement of participation.
     
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  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The UN is irredeemable. By it's very nature that is almost a given. I do kind of like the idea of an international forum for liberal democracy though.
     
  12. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    The U.S. is a liberal democracy, and we've had our share of immoral vetos. The UN can start with getting rid of the veto power.

    There's the problem of France. They control the currency of former French colonies in Africa, and they use their control to buy natural resources below market value. This has kept these former colonies poor. I think that France is one of the most evil countries in modern history, but they are a liberal democracy.
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Military Expert Debunks Gaza "Genocide" - Nick Freitas


     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Three people with no names talking with a title on the video "Military Expert Debunks Gaza Genocide" is what exactly? You dismiss the ICC the UN and anyone else that says something you don't like yet think that this is convincing? You claim "Nick Freitas" and when I Google that name I get Virginia Delegate not world expert on genocide.

    You apparently think "Good reliable source" is anyone that says what you want to believe?
     
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  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I gently disagree.

    The UN is sloppy. It is often feckless. Sometimes it can be negligent or reckless. But....

    It's very hard to measure its effectiveness since it is primarily designed to prevent things, not to create. How can we measure what it may have prevented? Prior to its development, the world had experienced two devastating wars in just 30 years. Plus, the battle lines for the next one were, just as with WWI, already drawn. But it never happened. It's hard to measure the impact of preventing something. Would WWIII have occurred? Would the U.S. finally stepping up and NOT withdrawing from the world stage (as it was prior to and after WWI) been enough? (Arguably, the establishment of the UN could be considered part of that change.)

    I don't know. Historians could argue that until the next millennium and not resolve it. But I'm not so sure a reckless, feckless, misguided, mistake-prone UN is necessary a bad thing.
     
  16. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    All of this may be true but WWIII didn't happen because the U.S. and erstwhile USSR knew neither would survive a nuclear exchange. The UN was, and is, irrelevant.
     
  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I think it's better to respond to content. This guy articulated much better what I think.
    Nick Freitas
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    Since you often blame Bibi of genoside using biased sources that are getting their info from Hamas.
    I think those who watched it will hear a side that is not aired on biased media.
    At the minimum it will make one think.

    When I posted about elections and people voting on issues, it was also dismissed but now I see that my assessment of what I heard being spoken by friends, relatives, neighbors etc, was a microcosm, a snapshot of what majority in the US thought.
     
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  18. Lerner

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  19. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    While I think the reasons are complex and myriad, with that certainly being a big one.
     
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