Some Arab Americans who voted for Trump are concerned about his picks for key positions

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  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

  2. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Unbelievable.
     
  3. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Well, duh.

    I absolutely understand why voters with a connection to the Gaza Arab community would refuse to support Joe Biden. But where could they possibly have gotten the notion Trump wouldn't be even worse?

    Any peace Trump brings to Gaza or the West Bank will be the peace of the graveyard.
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Arab mentality is different.
    Ask talk to Arabs.
    Many Palestinian Arabs in West Bank state this openly, they would vote for Hamas to get Abbas out of power.
    They know Hamas is much worse but, it's their revenge on Abbas who they blame is stealing and much more.
    Same in Michgan, or other US cities, they would vote Biden out for Trump as an act of vengeance, and then deal with next leader.
    We think like Westerns are, many of Arabs have other mentality of middle East.
    I have Arab friends and know it first hand.
    To them, President Biden is Zionist, Harris and others are not
    exactly Palestinian side, especially when they get presure from foreign influence via many sites and media.
    Many of them will support Hamas and Hezbollah, even when those murder Muslim women and children.
    Yesturday Turkey bombed in Syria and cut million Arabs from water.
    Let's see how many will bother to cover and blame Erdogan?
     
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2024
  5. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I've heard multiple reasons for why some Arabs and Muslims voted for Trump.

    - They're anti-gay and anti-trans.

    - They see Biden-Harris as equally bad as Trump, so they voted for Trump to punish Harris.

    - They believe that Trump is anti-war and will be better at negotiating the end of the conflict.
     
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    He will. With the surrender of both Gaza and the West Bank to Bibi's stormtroopers.
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    It appears that Gaza war is now near the end?
    Talks about the day after, what and how will Gaza be governed, will it be international force of Arab countries and some Western.
    So Trump may have to deal with aid to rebuild Gaza etc. Talks in Lebanon also making progress.
    Maybe Russia and Korea war?
     
  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I sure hope that the war is almost over for Israel's sake. Here's what one very famous Israel supporter recently said.

    Pope calls for investigation on whether genocide is taking place in Gaza
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/11/18/pope-francis-gaza-genocide-israel/
     
  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Yes. Israel is always the one they pick on, while Erdoğan is bombing in Syria and just left Million people without water.
    They can investigate, and I'm sure the bias there is against Israel, it's not going to be an unbiased investigation.
    Is Pope calling investigation on killings of people in Yemen, or Syria?
    There is no genocide in Gaza, there is leftover of Hamas terrorists.

    Global Imams Council: 'Hamas responsible for deaths and suffering since Oct. 7'
    Global Imams Council condemns execution of hostages by Hamas terrorists and calls on all religious leaders to 'unite against acts of terror and work towards a future of peace and respect for human life.'

    I also hope that the war in Gaza is ending, but Hamas is yet to release hostages, and Israel will not allow Hamas or similar to control Gaza.
     
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  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The simpler explanation for all the conspiracy theories saying that Israel is always being picked on unfairly is that Israel is committing genocide. It's a much much simpler explanation.

    Because Turkey or others do bad things it doesn't mean that Israel can do bad things. Israel is supposed to be one of the good guys. I'm looking forward to the day that Netanyahu is no longer leader. Hopefully Israel will return to being one of the good guys then.
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Israel is not doing bad things.
    And there is no conspiracy theory, there are sell out politicians, and politics.
    And conning Terrorists that distort the truth.

    World being silent about Turkey doing bad things is a shame. Million people without water due to Turks bombings.

    The world picking on Israel, because Arabs are pushing them, as a large market, customer and petro$$$$, etc.
    Same hipocrats don't do more for Curds.

    Today US used vetto and stood with Israel.
     
  12. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    The ICC has issued an arrest warrant for Benjamin Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant. While I think they made the right decision, the speed of this is definitely based on who the perpetrator is. The world lets genocides occur everywhere else for years without holding anyone accountable. Nothing happened to one of the orchestrators of the Darfur genocide for about 16 years. 600,000 civilians were recently murdered in the Tigray region of Ethiopia. I haven't heard of any country petitioning the ICJ or ICC on their behalf. No one is holding anyone accountable for the genocide that Saudi Arabia and UAE committed in Yemen with Donald's help. Hell, almost no one in the U.S. protested or advocated for Yemen.

    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/11/21/world/israel-netanyahu-hamas-gaza
     
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  13. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Yes, they did, but why they would charge Netanyahu but give Geo W Bush a pass is beyond me.
     
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  14. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Bush is responsible for hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths in a country that didn't even attack us.
     
  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Stop the hypocrisy, learn from history! Destroying evil is not only in Israel's interest - it’s also in your interest!

    The State of Israel is at war against terrorist organizations that threaten to destroy it on all possible fronts.
    They’re enduring a war that was forced upon them after the October 7th massacre in which many Israelis were murdered, raped, and kidnapped.

    Despite this, Israel continues to fight in the most moral way possible under these circumstances, taking care to evacuate civilians and avoid harming innocent people as much as possible, bringing in endless humanitarian aid to Gazans.

    Despite all of the evidence, the International Criminal Court in The Hague has decided to issue arrest warrants for the Prime Minister and former Minister of Defense of the State of Israel! This is simply unbelievable!!
    The crimes against humanity were committed against the State of Israel, not by the State of Israel!

    The International Criminal Court in The Hague has become a full partner in anti-Israel propaganda and is actually propping up the terrorist organizations that commit war crimes!!!

    The Hague Tribunal, which hypocritically decided to accuse the State of Israel of war crimes and crimes against humanity,
    tried to present a false narrative of some type of "balance" by also issuing an arrest warrant for Mohammed Deif, who was eliminated over 4 months ago!
    This would been funny if it weren't so sad and, especially, antisemitic and anti-Israel!

    It’s official - ICC has become the modern version of der Volksgerichtshof.
    Israeli officials and opposition politicians were unanimous in their condemnation of the ruling. President Isaac Herzog called the decision "outrageous", saying "the ICC has turned universal justice into a universal laughing stock".
     
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  16. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    There's no good reason for Israel to still be in Gaza killing people. Hamas has been crippled. Most buildings in Gaza have been destroyed. There's nothing left there except people living like rats and being bombed and chased around the country. Netanyahu is just trying to placate the radical far-right members in his government so that he can remain in power. They want Netanyahu to get rid of all Palestinians in Gaza.

    Netanyahu is a war criminal.
     
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  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill,
    You have been misled by wrong sources of information.

    I agree on the part that the war in Gaza should end and hostages released, but only with security that Hamas or a like not rebuild the terror infrastructure and start again terrorizing Israel.
    Gazans suffering is because of the terror Hamas and a like created.
     
  18. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Palestinian civilians are not a threat to my safety. I'm sure that the ICC has access to far more information than you do. They are also experts in international law, you are not.
     
  19. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I think that the most important thing about Lerner's opinion is that he's obviously extremely emotionally biased for Israel. This can naturally cloud one's judgement.
     
  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Jihadist are a very big threat to your safety.
    ICC has bias, so no matter what access they have, they became corrupted.
    There will be exposure of them, I'm sure legal minds will expose their bias on this one.
     
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