Some Arab Americans who voted for Trump are concerned about his picks for key positions

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  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    All completely irrelevant to everyone but you. The issue is reliability, accuracy, and bias of the source. If the source's reliability, accuracy and bias is unknown then it is not worth nothing. One can search the Internet and find all kinds of completely stupid ridiculous statements. Just because you find something you want to believe doesn't mean it is reliable, accurate and unbiased. Now you can believe what ever you want but don't expect others to pay any attention to it.
     
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I guess I should also mention that your comment that I should respond to content is silly since I don't consume information from unknown sources.
     
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    It's a free country, I respect that, even if I think it's how you get Hamas propoganda mixed with other news.


     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

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    How the Trump administration and congressional Republicans may crack down on pro-Palestinian protesters
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-congressional-republicans-may-140000599.html
    Congressional Republicans and former Trump appointees have spent the last year building out their response to the movement protesting Israel’s war in Gaza, and now that Donald Trump is returning to the White House they warn that protest leaders, activists and those who help them raise money could face an onslaught of federal investigations and possible indictments.

    An NBC News review of congressional hearings and letters, along with lawsuits filed by organizations led by former Trump officials, provides a preview of which federal laws a second Trump administration could use when pursuing investigations and potential prosecutions.

    Judging from what has been pushed thus far, there are several legal measures most likely to be used once Trump returns to Washington. One would be deporting foreign college students in the U.S. on a visa after they’re found to have openly advocated for Hamas or another U.S.-designated terror group, or after they participated in an unauthorized campus protest and were suspended, expelled or jailed.
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    At my work, a guy was let go and another disciplined for being arrested, blocking entry and exit from gov facility that trades with Israel. They kept the arrest secret, but HR found out and there is '0' tolerance policy, I understand one of them allegedly attacked a peace officer.
     
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  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    My first reaction is that that would run afoul of the first and fourteenth amendments, which protects everyone in the US, regardless of citizenship or visa status.

    But then, the constitution only says whatever any given five Supreme Court Justices want it to say, so maybe that doesn't mean anything. I guess we'll see.
     
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  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I disagree with the folks protesting that think Hamas is one of the good guys. I think that almost all such folks just don't understand how evil Hamas is. I do agree that it likely runs afoul of the constitution to punish them. Even if the SCOTUS rules that way the Trump administration will have already done damage to our society, the constitution, and the people harassed. One thing is for sure, the Trump administration won't apologize or feel bad about it.
     
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I read an article this morning about farmers in Central California. These folks are very Republican and very pro Trump. They produce a large percentage of the countries fruits and vegetables. Over half of their seasonal hire to plant and harvest crops are illegal aliens is the federal estimate. They seem to be in denial over Trump's mass deportation promises. The whole time I was reading this news article I kept thinking about the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party. :D
     
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  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Lerner has said that the UN and the ICC are against Israel because Iran and Jihadist have taken them over and filled their minds with false information about Israel. I don't believe that to be true but, if it is true then how did this happen?

    Iran says it is activating new centrifuges after being condemned by UN nuclear watchdog
    https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/22/world/iran-iaea-centrifuges-censure-intl-hnk/index.html

    Why didn't Iran and Jihadist bother stopping the UN from condemning them? Perhaps they are super tricky and wanted to make us think that they are NOT controlling the UN and so forced the UN to condemn them just to trick us?
     
  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill, all the dictators use the UN, but not listen to UN, there is a big difference.
    They use the UN against the West, and lough at people, who they deceive easily, they accuse of human rights violations, but themselves major violators.
    Exactly your type of response is what they want.
    UN has almost zero effect on Iranian regime, but Iran's regime uses UN to promote their interests.

    I don't understand, what is Israel and the West waiting for? To be struck by Iran?
    A preemptive, defensive attack on Iran is overdue.
    A shameful deal is about to be made in Lebanon, Israel will Have Hezbollah rebuild its forces and attack again.
    Some point to Hezbollah that uses all the Lebanon infrastructure, Airports, Power greed in its attacks on Israel, that means Israel should have leveled Lebanon's infrastructure. So far Israel only attacked Hezbollah centers.
     
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    So did Israel force the UN to condemn them to trick us. Or, do they not really control what the UN does as you assert?
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The UN is highly biased against Israel, so Israel has very little ability to force the UN, if at all.
    US on other hand has such ability, maybe other groups of countries as well.
    Finally, Israel understands that they are losing the PR war, and they for a first time allocated significant budget to create additional systems that will explain and expose the bias and lies of the enemies, increase what Israel calls Hasbara.
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The first sentence claiming that the UN is highly biased against Israel is without evidence and most certainly just wishful thinking. The second sentence is obviously true. The third sentence is most excellent wonderful news!
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Since its establishment, the UN has passed more resolutions condemning Israel than any other country, including regimes with abysmal human rights records like North Korea, Iran, and Afghanistan.
    “The UN’s obsessive focus on Israel is both absurd and shameful,” Executive Director of UN Watch, Hillel Neuer, said.

    The UN’s disproportionate criticism of Israel skews the narrative, casting Israel as an aggressor while minimizing the actions of terrorist groups. Instead of fixating on Israel’s responses, the organization should prioritize addressing the terrorism Israel endures from Iran’s proxies.
    The UN’s treatment of Israel is more than just biased—it is dangerous. By enabling terror groups, undermining Israel’s right to self-defense, and fostering anti-Israel sentiment, the UN has become a barrier to peace rather than a promoter.
    The time has come for the international community to hold the UN accountable for its actions and demand fairness in its dealings with Israel.
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The real question is why has the UN passed more resolutions condemning Israel than any other country. You imply that the reason is that UN is biased against Israel. What makes far more logical sense is that Israel keeps doing things that need to be condemned by the UN! Let's take an example from a hot area with multiple UN condemnations against Israel. That is Israel's illegal stealing of property for their illegal settlements. For example, here's one.

    United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_2334
     
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  15. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Come on, surely you don't think that the answer is that Israeli policy is literally the worst in the world on human rights, even notwithstanding their checkered history towards Palestinians?

    Anti-Israeli bias at the UN is pervasive and longstanding. I mean, there's a UN agency that became organizationally captured by Hamas!
     
  16. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Of course not! I didn't claim that nor do I believe that. That is not what it means. I don't think the UN typically even condemns violations of human rights. The UN is more concerned with countries that violate their neighboring countries rights. The West Bank, the Gaza Strip, that piece of Egypt, I didn't research all of Israel's UN condemnations but, I think you get the idea. Keep in mind that the USA has veto power on these condemnations being approved.
     
  17. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    No. The sole role of the UN General Assembly is to provide an international forum for tin pot dictators, brutal war mongers, and corrupt kleptocrats to spew hours of self aggrandizing bullshit to an audience that has no choice but to earn its extravagant pay by pretending to listen.
     
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  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Not relevant to how resolutions are passed, though.

    Nine out of the 15 members in the UN Security Council needs to vote in favor of a resolution for it to pass, provided none of the 5 permanent members use their veto power. Ten other members are non-permanent ones elected for two-year terms by the UN General Assembly. The U.S.A. has used its United Nations Security Council veto power 42 times against resolutions condemning Israel, out of 83 times in which its veto has been used.
     
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    There is alot happening behind the scenes. Remeber Katharine Gun case in 2003?
    Back in early 2003, Tony Blair was keen to secure UN backing for a resolution that would authorise the use of force against Iraq.
    UK was being asked to collaborate in an operation to find out personal information that could be used to blackmail UN delegates.
    This is still happening, Iran, Russia and other players.
     
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    So you think that the USA UN ambassador is being blackmailed to not veto condemnations against Israel? Over half of the USA vetoes have been to strike down resolutions that condemn Israel. What happened there? Did they forget to blackmail the UN ambassador for those?
     
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