Salt Lake Bible College??

You are talking to a person that used to think DETC was a bogus accreditor even with the blessing of the US Dept of Education. Thanks to degreeinfo.com. and Dr. Bear, I have come to recognize there are numerous pathways to a solid and legitimate education!

However, numerous pathways can also make matters worse by trying to decipher what is legitimate? We now have schools that were unaccredited and once considered borderline "diploma mills" and now have accreditation from a US accrediting agency recognized by USDOE. The waters appear to get real muddy when foreign accreditors jump in. Consumers beware!

 

It was claimed, in Post #57 above, that UAST graduates "are getting licensed to practice medicine in the USA". California policy is relevant to that specific claim. The point was simply that UAST MD degrees are not universally accepted for medical licensure in the US; their medical degrees are not acceptable in at least some states.

 

So why does the University of Atlanta hold ASIC accreditation, instead of recognized US accreditation ?
Do you think it's because their graduates routinely seek employment in Britain ?

Or could University of Atlanta possibly have some other purpose in mind ?
Like, perhaps, ASIC accreditation is easier to get ?

 

I can answer that.

U of Atlanta was formerly Barrington U., which was unaccredited. It was sold and completely re-branded as U. of Atlanta - at first unaccredited and Alabama-licensed, it subsequently moved to Atlanta and became DETC accredited. After its five-year initial accreditation period, it did not renew its DETC status. It is one of three schools owned by the same group - and has been well-discussed in the fora, pre-, during and post-DETC status.

It seems U. of Atlanta picked up its ASIC accreditation as its DETC accreditation was expiring and it was on "teach-out" status with them. Gotta have something that at least looks like what we know as accreditation, I guess. And ASIC has been smart enough to get itself on a CHEA committee. That is not CHEA-recognition, as I have been forced to point out several times but, well...who knows what people will think.

Johann

 

University of Atlanta's issues with DETC apparently started before that. Their DETC accreditation expired in June 2013. But more than a year earlier, in February 2012, DETC announced that their accreditation only applied to existing students for "teach-out" purposes.

 

..And you don't have to believe what I say about Dr. Tulp's MD if you don't want to. Here it is again, from University of Fundamental Studies' 2007 awards: "12. Ориен Л. Тлп - Orien L. Tulp (USA), ДипломаMD№150736" Same link I gave previously.

BTW - one does not necessarily need an MD to found or run a medical school. The late Robert Ross, who founded the successful and highly legit. Caribbean school, Ross University Medical School, was an entrepreneur, not an MD. Ross University School of Medicine | Caribbean Medical Schools

Very nice and well-deserved things said about him here: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/22/business/global/22ross.html?src=busln&_r=0

Johann


P.S. ..And now, here's Dr. Tulp again - listed on an English IUFS page with pictures, from the same year (2007).

IUFS Honour Holders List in 2005 and 2006

 

Absolutely true, CalDog. Sorry I left that out.

Johann

 

That may be an additional credential awarded as you say in the year 2007. The first webpage you cited shows he earned a MD in 1974! All I'm saying is you need to have your facts before you start spewing accusations about people on this forum! The International Medical Directory shows that USAT was founded in the year 2003. He obviously obtained his "MD" before 2007 to start this school in 2003.
https://imed.faimer.org/details.asp?country=654&school=&currpage=1&cname=MONTSERRAT&city=&region=&rname=&mcode=654030&psize=25

Here is another website where it states he graduated the University of Vermont College of Medicine in 1974. In addition, it mentions he retired as a Colonel from the United States Army. I can tell you being a veteran, the US Army does not accept bogus degrees nor advance them to Colonel! It may very well all be hype but you have to have proof or it is libel!

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It even mentions that after medical school he took a 4 year post graduate research track in clinical nutrition which leads me to believe he probably never got "licensed" to practice medicine but obviously pursued a research and academic track. Nothing wrong with that!

 

(1) Dr. Tulp holds a Ph.D. in Pharmacology from UVM. That's to be admired.

(2) On the USAT site, it is written (among other things) that Dr. Tulp is a graduate of UVM Medical School, which is certainly is. He earned his Ph.D. in Pharmacology there. It also says he has an MD - but doesn't say specifically that he earned it at UVM. I think you may be reading that in.

(2) Here is an article he co-wrote. It does not mention an MD but does mention his other degrees.

The effects of the intestinal glucosidase inhibitor bay m 1099 (Miglitol) on glycemic status of obese rats

(3) Here is the Pharmacology Alumni page from UVM

Alumni : Graduate Program : UVM Department of Pharmacology : University of Vermont

Dr. Tulp is there - again, no MD listed

(4) Dr. Tulp did not list an MD in his postnominals on USAT's application for accreditation. Contrary to your assertion that he "must have" earned one prior to 2003, one was not necessary. As I proved, one does not need an MD to found a medical school.

(5) Dr. Tulp did indeed serve in the US Army. And certainly, only with genuine degrees. I never accused him of doing otherwise - and I never would. However, articles co-written during his army service don't show an MD in his postnominals, either.

(6) Dr. Tulp's association with unaccredited Medical schools has been noted on this and other fora since 2005. Speculation on the origin of his MD did not start with me, either. I am not the discoverer of the 2007 IUFS MD-thing. I am indebted to Dr. George Gollin for that. He posted a link on Degreediscussion. Prof. Gollin and I don't get along, but I will acknowledge he has extensive - almost encyclopedic - knowledge of schools and degrees - both good and bad.

(7) if Dr. Gollin can ask the question about the source of Dr. Tulp's MD - then "why, oh why can't I." :smile: I asked it here, because there are senior members of this forum who post elsewhere and may be familiar with this question. No conspiracy.

(8) Here's a post from this forum in 2005:

Bing:

"Here is another one. The Medical College of London. Started by a former St. Chriser named Orien Tulp(professor out of drexel ). His partner was a former Grace University(affiliated with a school on St. Lucia) faculty member and Grace then was delisted from WHO. When Grace dried up they started a cross affiliation with USAT. USAT has their own issues at this time. "

(9) Here's a post from some guy named Delta -- not directly referring to the above post, but in the same thread:

"The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know anything! Believe me, those with Ph.D.'s crap stinks too! It's just Piled higher and Deeper."

Remember it now, Delta? :smile:

Johann

 

I got an idea. If you think it is so important, why don't you just call him and ask him? I don't think it is important I just think it is not kosher that you spew speculative and potentially libelous crap that is meaningless! I simply brought up the fact that ASIC has two medical school that it has accredited and somehow this thread goes on a tangent about the possible, not definitive validity of individuals credentials.

 

Some of these links you provide are written in Russian for Pete's sake....as if I can understand Russian. For all we know it was an honorary award? However, a PhD in Pharmacology from UVM is actually more impressive than MD so in a twisted way, you just gave more credibility to USAT as an institution of learning!

 

Oops! Sorry. Didn't mean to do that! :jester:

Johann

 

Yes, I do remember and it is a generalized statement and a play with words. The difference is, the comments you make target specific real individuals!

From my experience, PhD's in clinical pharmacology have a profound knowledge of medicine and biochemistry and this individual has a sub-specialty in clinical nutrition which gives further evidence that his knowledge of biochemistry is far superior to that of your ordinary MD.

 

chicken coming home to roost

 

Sure.....whatever! Most of us are anonymous posters anyway! What credibility is there? However, targeting "real people" occurs too often on degreeinfo.com!

 

That has been my point even though I am fairly new. Your comments are very fair. The only thing that i will add is that I think if one is going to be a crusader for good, then one should have the moral fortitude to use a real name, for example people like bear, gollin, foerester and others.

 

Just out of curiosity: Is there such a thing as "fake people?"

 

Ted Heiks is real. Phdtobe is fake. It does matter when criticizing or being criticized.

 

Real people are what makes the world of less-than-wonderful academics flourish. :sad: