Salt Lake Bible College??

Yeah, but the Tehran University of Medical Science is on the ASIC and California list of recognized medical schools!

 

From INQAAHE's own page: "The greater majority of its members are quality assurance agencies that operate in many different ways..."

ASIC's original purview - ensuring "real" classes and no immigration violations fits this. Obviously, an INQUAAHE member is not required to be an academic accreditor. The "quality assurance" provided can be of a completely different type. This is the case with ASIC.

ASIC itself says its approval does not constitute degree-granting authorization of any kind. It covers these 8 areas:

•A. Premises and Health and Safety
•B. Management and Staff Resources
•C. Learning and Teaching; Course Delivery
•D. Quality Assurance and Enhancement
•E. Student Welfare
•F. Qualifications and Awards
•G. Marketing and Student Recruitment
•H. Relationship with Government Offices and Reporting Mechanisms.

The idea is to see that the school is a suitable place for international students. It is not an "academic accreditor" in the sense that we use that term in this forum. And nowhere, AFAIK, is it recognized as such. I'm not saying that ASIC accreditation is fraudulent. I feel it is, however, fraudulent for an institution to pass ASIC accreditation off as something it's not - i.e. degree-granting authority or enhanced standing of degrees.

NOW AAHEA - that's another matter entirely. :sad:

As to the Tehran Medical University -- OK, it's got ASIC -- so what? I bet it has something WAY more authoritative than that for degree-granting purposes - like a State Charter and Medical Council approval etc. For the millionth (and last) time - ASIC approval is not degree-granting approval or degree-granting authority of any kind. They say so themselves. Let's not try to dig up examples just to portray it as something it isn't.

Johann

 

Referring to the website you mentioned, his profile says he got 3 degrees from the University of Vermont with the MD from the College of Medicine in 1974. I don't believe for one minute Drexel University would hire someone with bogus credentials. I don't get your point? Once again, you have to have evidence before spewing this crap out! As far as I am concerned if he was a bonafide professor of Drexel and says he has an MD and runs a medical school, I have no reason to doubt him until PROVEN otherwise!

 

As I said, the source of Dr. Tulp's MD (he has a bona-fide non-MD Doctorate, I believe involving nutrition) is a source of oft-explored mystery. His listing of an MD from "the Medical College" strikes me (and others) as ambiguous. Which "Medical College" are we talking? He is listed as having received an MD diploma (Диплома MD № 150736) from IUFS - a private university with no recognized accreditation (as we know it) in St. Petersburg Russia, a school which has been discussed, sometimes in very unflattering terms, in higher-ed fora.

http://www.mufo.ru/downloads/Bulletin-No3.pdf

That is as close as I've ever come to the source. As far as I know, he has never disclosed the source of his MD. And I believe somewhere in the (non) accreditation report for his school it was mentioned that neither applicant - Dr. Tulp or Ms. Konyk-Tulp had medical training. I could give you a reference for this - but you can go find it yourself. It's in another forum.

From my reading, it appears Dr. Tulp has been associated with other non-accredited medical schools in the past. As far as I can determine, he is a learned man, a retired professor with a bona-fide Doctorate. He just seems to have had a series of ventures with unaccredited med. schools and I just can't find avalid MD in this. And so far, neither has anybody else .You can read a lot about him on our sister-forum, "Degree Discussion" if you like. there are 23 references to him there. You have a LOT of catching-up to do. I don't make this stuff up as I go along or "spew crap" without anything to back me up - not that your erroneous assertion bothers me at all. I've been around too long for that. :smile:

Johann

 

The point is, we the posters need to back it up with a source! Saying I read it on degreeinfo and Johann told me doesn't hold water!

 

True, but so what? Granted, TUMS is a legit school -- but there is no issue when an accreditor puts its "seal of approval" on a legit school.

The question is whether ASIC also puts its "seal of approval" on questionable schools. By the laws of my state, USAT is a provably unacceptable medical school.

 

But it is unacceptable in spite of ASIC not because of it!

 

Perhaps the following news story from the Times Higher Education Supplement, about Dr. Tulp and his involvement with medical education, may be of interest:

 

Neither do I - and they didn't. Dr. Tulp taught at Drexel for many years and retired. His degrees as listed there were/are completely genuine. I never said they weren't.

What made you think I suggested otherwise?

Johann

 

You write, "Incidentally, does anyone know the answer to this? - Where did Dr. Orien Tulp earn his M.D.? He's a retired Drexel U. professor and has a 100% genuine right to be called "Doctor" - but has anybody anywhere been able to find a record of an MD?"...suggesting some kind of conspiracy theory about a person none of us know!

 

I just want to clarify that having a M.D. and practicing medicine are two different things. For example, Dr. Jarvik invented the artificial heart but never got a license to practice medicine. There are a lot of people out there doing research, teaching, working in Pharmaceutical companies, etc. that hold MD degrees but never see a patient!

 

That is true, but Jarvik's MD degree, from the University of Utah, was fully qualifying for medical licensure regardless.

One might question whether UAST MD degrees are similarly qualifying. In 2006, for example, the UK General Medical Council explicitly warned students away from UAST after they established a partnership with Breyer State University, an unaccredited school widely regarded as a diploma mill (formerly in Idaho, Alabama, and California; now in Panama)

Incidentally, the Breyer State / UAST partnership was also covered at degreeinfo.

 

There will always be those who argue that second/third/fourth/etc-rate schools are legitimate.

 

There was once a school --- I think it might have been called Canyonview Biblical Seminary --- that claimed that it was accredited by God.

 

Johann implied that the owner/president of USAT may have a questionable MD. The president of USAT states he has a PhD from the University of Vermont and an MD from the College of Medicine which was indented under the University of Vermont. I'm simply saying just because he doesn't have a license to practice medicine doesn't mean his MD is bogus because he wants to use it in academics and school administration! I am not endorsing USAT but brought up the fact that it is apparently a medical school accredited by ASIC as well as Tehran Medical School which is on the California approved list. I personally don't care about these schools or anyone associated with them I am just pointing out that there may be legitimate organizations that subscribe to ASIC! I agree that what California does is not necessarily relevant to what ASIC does and I didn't bring it up! I simply stated that it is curious ASIC accredits 2 medical schools found on the international medical directory of schools, now everyone wants to discredit the school because it must be inferior for being on the ASIC accreditation list?

 

Just as a side note, the link you gave is 8 years old and I don't see an affiliation of USAT with Breyer State to this date. I'm not doubting they didn't have an affiliation but they don't anymore!

 

Accreditation and Certification - Affordable Online Bible School

 

Oops! Actually, it was called Canyonview Bible College & Seminary.

 

The ASIC list of schools that "have been accredited and reached Premier Institution Status" includes numerous institutions that have been discussed as potentially questionable in previous degreeinfo threads, including:

Universidad Azteca (Mexico)
Universidad Central de Nicaragua (Nicaragua)
University of Atlanta (USA)
University of Northwest Europe (Netherlands)
Warnborough College (Ireland)

University of Atlanta is descended from the unaccredited Barrington University, which was widely regarded as a mill. U of A was formerly accredited by DETC, but the relationship with DETC ended earlier this year.

If ASIC accredits questionable schools, this doesn't necessarily mean that all schools accredited by ASIC are questionable. However, it does suggest that ASIC's accreditation standards aren't particularly high, and therefore that ASIC accreditation may not mean very much.