Salt Lake Bible College??

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by Hotdillon, Jun 13, 2011.

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  1. RAM PhD

    RAM PhD Member

    I know this sounds like a great inequity, but doesn't the prospective student need to know how to type papers on Calvinism and Baptist history? :lol:
     
  2. Delta

    Delta Active Member

    The point is, when it comes to religious schools, what I believe is irrelevant! In the United States, freedom of religion is a protected constitutional right. Apparently, the school is legally organized in the State of Utah to award "religious" type degrees. For one to ridicule their motives is futile and inappropriate. I admit I know nothing of Asic accreditation. It is what it is!
     
  3. RAM PhD

    RAM PhD Member

    Actually, only about half the states allow religious exemption for academic institutions. I believe what Johann is asking is whether or not anyone would be gullible enough to believe that a doctorate from SLBC is a legitimate academic degree. :oops:
     
  4. maya1982

    maya1982 New Member

    And is Salt Lake Bible College an academic school with degrees or what !?
     
  5. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    Sorry, but there is no simple answer to that question. The best short answer is: "Maybe".

    Some US states don't regulate or license religious degrees. Anyone can start a school that issues religious degrees, just as anyone can start a church. In those states, an SLBC degree would be legal, at least for religious purposes. However, an SLBC degree might not be legal for non-religious purposes.

    Other US states regulate all degrees, including religious degrees. In those states, an SLBC degree might not be considered legal for any purposes.

    In the US, an SLBC degree might be accepted as valid sometimes, but it would probably be rejected sometimes.

    If you want a US degree with universal acceptance, you need to look for a different school.
     
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  6. maya1982

    maya1982 New Member

    Then, as I understood any religious degree in some states could not be recognized as academic degree ?
     
  7. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    The normal standard for a college or university in the US is accreditation. If a religious school has valid accreditation, then its degrees will be recognized everywhere in the US (and in other countries). Many religious schools in the US have valid accreditation, and their degrees are fully recognized as academic degrees.

    However, some states (including Utah) allow religious schools to be established without recognized accreditation (because of the importance of religious freedom). Such schools are "unaccredited". Unaccredited degrees do not have universal recognition in the US.

    SBLC is unaccredited.
    SBLC degrees may be recognized for religious purposes in the state of Utah.
    SBLC degrees may not be recognized for non-religious purposes in Utah.
    SBLC degrees may be recognized for religious purposes in other US states, if those states have similar religious exemptions for schools.
    SBLC degrees may not be recognized in states without religious exemptions, for either religious or non-religious purposes.
    SBLC degrees may not be recognized in other countries outside of the US, for either religious or non-religious purposes.

    If you want a US degree that will always be recognized, you need to look for an accredited school. SBLC is not accredited. Its degrees are only guaranteed to work for religious purposes within the state of Utah. If you want to be a Baptist minister in Utah, then an SBLC degree may be recognized. In other situations, an SBLC degree may not work.
     
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  8. maya1982

    maya1982 New Member

    One more question. Is it possible to transfer credits or even degree earned at SLBC in some another religious theologically accredited school and in that way makes their degree acceptable?
     
  9. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    In general, accredited schools do not favor degrees or credits from unaccredited schools. It is likely that many accredited religious schools would reject SLBC degrees or credits completely. It is possible that some accredited religious schools might accept SLBC degrees or credits to some extent, particularly if they were a similar religious denomination. But such acceptance is not guaranteed.
     
  10. Delta

    Delta Active Member

    Asic

    I noticed ASIC accredits a couple International Medical Schools that are also listed in the International Medical Directory which is a US recognized organization.

    University of Science, Arts and Technology - USAT (Montserrat)

    Tehran University of Medical Sciences - TUMS (Iran)
    http://www.asic.org.uk/collegedirectoryInternational.php

    see link:
    https://imed.faimer.org/results.asp?country=517&school=&currpage=2&cname=IRAN&city=&region=&rname=&psize=25

    One would think ASIC has some form of credibility as an accreditation body?
     
  11. maya1982

    maya1982 New Member

    I am very confused about ASIC what they are? Some NGO for ¨cleaning money¨?! The sentence ¨ASIC recognised or school (what ever) but do not recognise degree (academic level)??¨
    But about SLBC they have BSAA accreditation, at the BSAA list are about 10 schools, those schools certainly accept degrees from each other? Because I am curious about Europe, among the schools at the BSAA list is also one school from Italy.
     
  12. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    I think we are confused too. However, we can say that ASIC recognition or accreditation has no value for a school in the US. Maybe it means something in other countries.

    Maybe. But you should ask the Italian school directly.
     
  13. maya1982

    maya1982 New Member

  14. maya1982

    maya1982 New Member

    Yes, I just saw ASIC site, they have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with accreditation in US and also advising to considered CHEA for Us colleges. They only help people in UK with diplomas acquired abroad ! THANK YOU , YOU HAVE HELPED ME A LOT !! :)
     
  15. maya1982

    maya1982 New Member

    Yes, I just saw ASIC site, they have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with accreditation in US and also advising to considered CHEA for Us colleges. They only help people in UK with diplomas acquired abroad ! THANK YOU , YOU HAVE HELPED ME A LOT !! :)
     
  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Well, here's one who doesn't think so - me. USAT is a super-controversial school and I've read a lot of bad stuff about it over the last few years.

    The Caribbean Accreditation Authority for Education in Medicine didn't think much of it either. USAT requested accreditation, was denied it and promptly appealed. That's when they bought their ASIC sticker, I'd guess.

    Untitled Document

    Johann
     
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  17. Delta

    Delta Active Member

    Controversial or not, their graduates are getting licensed to practice medicine in the USA. Do you have evidence that ASIC accreditation is invalid as an international accreditor?

    I found a link to INQAAHE, an international organization that attempts to compile a list of international accrediting agencies that meet some level of standard.
    http://www.inqaahe.org/members/list-full.php?start=50&submitted=1&geomap=&membership_type=2&contactname=&agencyname=&countryID=0&orderby=
     
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  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    This school (USAT) is also "accredited" by the unrecognized (by CHEA) AAHEA. Here's a picture of Dr. Orien Tulp (the founder of USAT) receiving the AAHEA "accreditation" scroll from 3Dr. Stephen Barnhart, who has garnered a lot of mention in this and other fora over the years. You can look him up.

    News - USAT - PGA UNIVERSITY OF SCIENCE, ARTS & TECHNOLOGY ALUMNI ASSOCIATION

    3Dr. Barnhart has been associated with many unaccredited schools, including The International University, MO and Panama, European Continental University, Personal Branding University and others.

    Incidentally, does anyone know the answer to this? - Where did Dr. Orien Tulp earn his M.D.? He's a retired Drexel U. professor and has a 100% genuine right to be called "Doctor" - but has anybody anywhere been able to find a record of an MD? :question:

    AAHEA "accreditation" does not confer any degree-granting powers - anywhere. Neither does ASIC "accreditation". :sad:

    It is not "illegal" to have ASIC accreditation -- but it does nothing to add to the standing of the institution's degrees. If they lack standing before ASIC, they'll do the same post-ASIC. Same goes for AAHEA.

    Johann
     
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  19. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    USAT graduates aren't getting licensed in California. The California Medical Board has a global list of recognized medical schools, and USAT isn't on it (though some other Caribbean medical schools are). Certain other US states, like Georgia, also rely on the California list.
     
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  20. Delta

    Delta Active Member

    "The International Network for Quality Assurance Agencies in Higher Education (INQAAHE) is a world-wide association of over 200 organisations active in the theory and practice of quality assurance in higher education. "

    This list appears to be comprehensive, perhaps not all inclusive and a good place to start when researching international schools and their accreditors!

    INQAAHE - International Network for Quality Assurance Agencies in Higher Education
     

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