RA + specialized/professional accrediation in professional fields is a must!

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by Lerner, Nov 12, 2005.

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  1. -kevin-

    -kevin- Resident Redneck

    Re: Attempts at clarification


    almost. go to www.usajobs.opm.gov and do a keyword search on "engineer". Almost all engineer positions that have a positive education reuqirement prefer ABET programs. However it also appears that there are some ways around the ABET issue but it would seem the bar may be higher when an individual did not graduate from an ABET program.

  2. laferney

    laferney Member

    NO injections!

    I wonder how in Nursing DL program they practice injections?
    there must be a practicum or somthing?-Lerner

    Almost all DL programs in Nursing are for people already licensed as Nurses(RN, LPN) to earn a higher credential. (usually a BSN) They would have already learned the manual tasks of nursing in their original programs. (as injections)
    There is no DL program where a person can receive a degree that makes them eligible for a nursing license totally by distance study with no demonstated clincial experience.
    DL programs like Excelsior do have assessment visits where you must demonstrate these manual tasks with 100% accuracy and take care of real patients while evaluated.
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Re: Attempts at clarification

    How many Undergraduate Engineering degree programs accredited by ABET offered in USA?

    But there are more Graduate level Engineering DL programs.

    computer Sciense is one of the ditiplines that can be very academic and non professional, not the same for Computer Engineering. ABET realized that some CS graduates work in a way as CE's so they offer an Accreditation for such CS programs that find their way - and in some cases 100% legitimatly in to Engineering teretory.

    PA completes and provides accreditation of program wile RA the institution. RA+PA is the winning and the most recognized combination.

    Some employers still hire persons with unaccredited degrees so
    this is not an example. The same with CS some employers don't care if its not ABET.


  4. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    Yet another attempt at clarification

    Yes, but if you review the thread, you will find that I was specifically talking about ABET/CAC accreditation, which is for computer science degrees. You are talking about ABET/EAC accreditation, which is for engineering degrees.

    No one, including me, disputes the value of ABET/EAC accreditation for engineering degrees. If you read a few posts back, I stated:
    My point is that ABET accreditation is very important for engineering degrees, yet virtually useless for computer science degrees.
  5. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    Re: Re: Attempts at clarification

    Employers are, of course, free to respect or disregard ABET accreditation as they like. But it's totally misleading to suggest that ABET accreditation has the same value in both engineering and computer science.

    In the case of engineering, there are few employers that don't care about ABET/EAC accreditation. So I would not recommend a non-ABET/EAC engineering program to a prospective engineering student.

    But in the case of computer science, there are few (if any) employers that do care about ABET/CAC accreditation. I would not hesitate, for example, to recommend the non-ABET/CAC computer science programs at Stanford, Carnegie Mellon, Harvard, Princeton, or Caltech to a prospective computer science student. These are among the most prestigious and highly regarded CS programs in the world. If you think there are employers or grad schools that would automatically reject such degrees due to the lack of ABET/CAC accreditation, you will have to show me some evidence.
  6. Guest

    Guest Guest

    :confused: Lerner's posts contain more double talk than all the 220 presidential candidates in 2004 put together! :confused:
  7. -kevin-

    -kevin- Resident Redneck

    Re: Yet another attempt at clarification

    My mistake I should have read closer.
  8. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: Attempts at clarification

    Well Computer Science is closer to professional field than History, History is not required to be accredited professionaly and RA is suficient, Computer Sciencce maybe on a border, and because its on a border CAC still accredits it, just in case the persons will end up doing Engineering work with CS degree.

    In many cases CS may not need PA accreditation.

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  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Is this because non of your degrees are Professionally Accredited?

    Lets see:
    BS/MBA - California Coast University - 2001/2003 - UNACCREDITED
    AA - University of Phoenix - 2001- RA
    BS - Charter Oak State College - 2003 - RA
    MS-ITM - Touro University International - 2004
    PhD - Northcentral University - currently enrolled - RA

    May I ask in what field your degrees are?

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  11. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator Staff Member

    Lerner.....may I ask what degrees you have earned, if any?
  12. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    You know, Lerner/Learner, our colleague's name is Randall, not Rendell. It isn't really necessary to your persona to type with a Russian accent when the guy's name is right in front of you on degreeinfo. La revedere. Janko
  13. PhD2B

    PhD2B Dazed and Confused

    That appears to be par for the course.

    His listed occupation in his profile has a misspelling for Pete’s sake!
  14. Rob Coates

    Rob Coates New Member

    In the field of School Psychology, while APA does accredit a few programs, they are not the standard for program accreditation. The vast majority of school psyc. programs are accredited by The National Association of School Psychologists (NASP). Interestingly, NASP is not a professional accreditation agency recognized by the Dept. of Ed. or any other gov. agency.
  15. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    AA - University of Phoenix - computer science and biomedical engineering
    BS - Charter Oak State College - business and technology (indiv studies)
    MS-ITM - Touro University International - ITM
    PhD - Northcentral University - Business / management

    And your degrees are what and from where?

  16. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    bolond 'em over

    Is difficult to predict what is answer.
    He says he's from Csernovics/Cernauti/Czernowitz.
    He claims his family spoke Romanian.
    He can't spell "la revedere".* Is mystery.

    *Is in Romanian means bye-bye. Is like credibility. Is like excent.
  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member


    My degree is a 5 year program in B&M State University specialty Avtomatizirovanie Systemy Obrabotky Informatziyii i Ypravleni - Automated Control of System and Processing of Informationin leading to qualification of Inginer Systemothechnik( Engineer Systems Technologyst) that is evaluated by WES as equivalent to MSc in Engineering Technology ( initially it was evaluated as MScCS) from RA University in US.

    I hold Graduate Certificate from FTU and Certifications etc

    Ai carte, ai parte

    Sunt gata
    La revedere

    Nu te pune cu prostul, cãci are mintea odihnitã :)
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  18. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Is university name???
  19. mineralhh

    mineralhh New Member

    Re: RA Degrees that are not PA are of sub standard professional quality.

    To return to the initial posting: From my perspective this is a very valuable message.

    Of course it is over-the-top to call RA without professional recognition "professional degree mills", but what is being communicated is that RA is only a very basic quality assurance. I personally have dealt with several students who are surprised to learn that their RA studies hold no transfer value due to lack of professional recognition and then wish they would have known that before.
  20. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Re: Re: RA Degrees that are not PA are of sub standard professional quality.

    Thank you, mineralhh, for urging everyone back on topic; and what you wrote in so doing was excellent. You've summed-up, I think, exactly what Lerner was, in largest measure, trying to say; and you've, in my opinion, struck precisely the right balance in your assessment of the whole "professional degree mills" thing. The "transfer value due to lack of professional recognition" point is extremely helpful. It's a particularly good, point-of-the-thread-summarizing post...

    ...and will, hopefully, get everyone back on topic.

    Thank you!
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