RA + specialized/professional accrediation in professional fields is a must!

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by Lerner, Nov 12, 2005.

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  1. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    I'm glad they care about integrity.
  2. morleyl

    morleyl New Member

    some states does allow you to become PE without the ABET degree, providing you can pass the PE exams. I think California is one of them.

    I like the Engineering Council approach, its base on Knowledge plus practice.

    The PE here is more base on the knowledge and not the application of it.
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member


    Weber State University, Computer and Electronic Engineering Technology,

    Northwest Commission on Colleges and Universities (NWCCU)

    Non ABET - TAC accredited.
  4. bing

    bing New Member

    Re: Re: Attempts at clarification

    If the IEEE has it's way this will change. They have gone to the iron man stage of SWEBOK( www.swebok.org ) and that puts Software Engineering right up there with ME's, EE's, etc.

    Currently I am not seeing all that many employers jump on the bandwagon. Heaven forbid employers want to pay even more for SE's. Since so many software engineering jobs are outsourced I think swebok will have a tough time catching on with many employers. I could be wrong, though. Time will tell.

  5. ashton

    ashton New Member

    Even if the IEEE is correct that a body of knowledge called "software engineering" can be identified, and even if it is beneficial for states to license software engineers, by no means does all computer programming or all computer science fall into the realm of software engineering. Only in cases where lives or property will be endangered, or where substantial public inconvenience is likely, is the licensure of software engineers worth considering.

    However, the IEEE and ABET might manage to get US regionally accredited universities to avoid using the term "engineering" in connection with software unless the program has suitable professional accreditation.
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Taken from the web site of the St. Petersburg college


    More examples to follow.

    Hope some readers will become more informed on issues of professional and specialtgy accreditation and the added value of graduating from such programs

  7. miguelstefan

    miguelstefan New Member

    I used to feel the same way until I saw the following on their website (http://www.cooks.edu/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=2&MMN_position=2:2)

    Any school claiming to be Nationally Accredited from an unrecognized accreditor loses most of it's credibility with me.
  8. morleyl

    morleyl New Member

    The term nationally or regionally is not legally binding or means any fraud. The only issue is if someone claim to be USDOE recognized when not so..

    Cooks is an old enough school to be recognized on their own merit. Its just like all RA schools are not the same. Some have gained much respect over time.

    A non-USDOE accreditation agency could have good standards and practice, its just that you would be cautious if they are not.
  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Can the same be for the term accredited - is not legally binding or means any fraud?

    And because majority of non CHEA or USDOE agencies are bogus or with standards that are only apear to be existing wile in reality they sell accreditation, i.e. Accreditation Mills, one or two legitimate unrecognized agencies will have hard time to justify their existance. Maybe some bible or religion related accreditors can have a case but in most cases the seperation is by recognized or unrecognized.

    I agree that the statement NATIONALLY is misleading.
    In USA and many other countries its usually recognized by or a part of their education agency, or national professional specialty accreditation agency.

    Accreditation, presently organized by region, profession, and type of institution, is ideally grounded in collegiality and the voluntary search for quality improvement. Specialized accreditation is usually applied to fields in which there is a recognized professional degree and where health, welfare, safety, and professional competence are matters of academic, professional, and public concern.

    Engineering is one of the above fields
  10. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    The "National Association of Private Non-Traditional Schools and Colleges" may or may not have good accreditation standards and practices. But even if it does, it still can't match the recognition and utility of an RA-accredited and ABET-accredited degree.

    The harsh reality is that engineering licensing boards, graduate schools, and employers will virtually always give more recognition and respect to RA/ABET degrees. In some cases, there may be ways to work around this handicap. In other cases, there may not be: many licensing boards, schools, and employers will automatically reject non-ABET degrees.

    I'm not suggesting that a Cook's degree is worthless; I expect that many Cook's alumni have benefited from their studies. But the fact is that a Cook's degree has significant limitations relative to RA/ABET degree, and it's unfortunate that the Cook's website makes no effort to explain these limitations. It wouldn't surprise me if some Cook's alumni have learned about the limitations the hard way, and have subsequently come to regret their choice.
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I think the same apply to the degree holders in areas were professional and specialty accreditation is required or is a major pluss.

  12. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Did you enjoy Thanksgiving?
  13. Guest

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    You're so naughty! :D
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Yes and no.

    This Thanksgiving was my turn to be on call rotation, so I had to work some of the time.
    Because I'm by the PC lots of time I had and have planty of time to visit this board.
    Uncle janko, I get your point I do have life from time to time :)

    We thanked the Lord for all the blessings he bestowed upon us, I still remember the hardships of Ukraine,I was reminded this weekend about the long lines for products as well, I remeber standing in frizzing cold 5 AM in line for food.
    Vidio game systems that we got on the black market.

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  15. Roman

    Roman New Member

    If RA accreditation alone=degree mill, then whats the point on having one? I guess we can just get rid of all RA acreditation agencies and just stick to professional accreditors.
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: RA + specialized/professional accrediation in professional fields is a must!

    The pint is that RA is perfect for History degree and RA degree is not milled degree, but if the degree is in a field such as Engineering and its not ABET than wile its academic degree its as PROFESSIONAL milled degree.
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  17. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Well, at least the weather's better, Lerner. Maybe the food, too. Let's hope.
  18. morleyl

    morleyl New Member

    I think the trouble here is that the term mill or diploma mill is used loosely. To be realistic any school can offer to teach any major and once the contents are acceptable and the standards verifiable high then that should not make it a mill.

    The issue of accreditation can be seen from the aspect of either recognition or quality. This means an ABET degree would be easily recognized but it does not mean the school in question follows all the recommends for good quality.

    School in the US has become more of a business and therefore one could be ripped off by both the known mills and established schools. Same crime just different recognition.
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Lets say that there is more of it and I'm happy with that, if its better you know when you stand hours to get food it may be once you get if you are lucky than it may taste better.

    As I mentioned earlier, we are have man y reasons to thank for the blessings the Lord gave us.

  20. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

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