RA + specialized/professional accrediation in professional fields is a must!

Re: Re: Re: RA Degrees that are not PA are of sub standard professional quality.

How many times does a thread stay on track

 

As often as Lerner actually answers a question straightforwardly.
He makes wild accusations and then hides. He impugns your degrees, Randell, but won't say where his is from. He relies upon the humane goodwill of others in order to get away with his nonsense. His fake Rooshun accent comes and goes. He's harder to understand than Japanese instruction manuals written in what passes for secondary-school English in Japan. A careful comparison of posts by Rector elsewhere shows nearly word-for-word duplication, but Lerner insists he isn't Rector. This is troll behaviour. It wastes everyone's time. Newbies, be warned.

 

Japanese English

(sorry for kicking the thread off track Gregg, I couldn't help it)

 

Behaviour?

I promised to not give Lerner a hard time here anymore, but I have to confess I'm really struggling with that decision after this nonsensical analysis of his.....

As usual, unk, you hit all the key points right on the head throughout.

 

Re: RA Degrees that are not PA are of sub standard professional quality.

Well... then there is that, of course.

Well, when it's that funny -- howsoever racist the website from whence it came probably is -- I'm not much so minding. (Okay, okay... I just couldn't help myself... Engrish can be fun... though, by so joking, I've now probably contributed to the myth proffered in other fora that I'm an anti-Asian racist... which comes as news, I'm sure, to my Asian life partner... but I digress.)

Still, let's not go "group on Lerner," here. One thing I've figured out is that he's nowhere near as dumb -- or language (or vB Code) challenged -- as he'd like us to believe. He sees the futility of gameplaying. Perhaps he -- and we -- can avoid doing it; and can stick to the thread's perfectly-worthy-of-discussion topic.

So... anyway... back to regional versus specialized/professional accreditation...

...how 'bout somebody responds to mineralhh's excellent post?



Oh, yeah... and a question, or three, for Lerner...

In your earlier post where you tried to run down the degrees you have, you wrote:

• "My degree is a 5 year program in B&M State University..."

Which B&M state university are we talkin' about, here?

Just askin'.

Then you wrote:

• "I hold Graduate Certificate from FTU and Certifications etc."

What does "FTU" stand for, in this case? And a "graduate certificate" in what, precisely? And what "certifications" are you referring to right at the end, there?

Again, just askin'.

If you could clear that up for the benefit of the readers, here, that would really be appreciated. Thanks, Lerner!

 

Will you believe me if I told you that I'm afraid to reveal my identity here or any board on the internet? I never use on line job sites nor I use online banking, I like the privacy.

Afraid to be harassed.

I don't wish anybody calling my home, writing letters to my employer or my school or any of this issues so please forgive me if I keep some of the information concealed.
Gregg, UJ Rich etc you have balls.

That’s the honest truth.

UJ I studied at Tirospol University in Prednestrovie region - what is now Trans Dnister - and my University merged with Prednistrovsky Pedagogical University to form what is today Prednistrovky State University by name of T.G Shevchenko.

Back to the topic.

Learner

 

Yes. And that's understandable. No argument there.

Also understandable.

Got it. No one does. We're with ya' there!

You're in no danger of anything like that... certainly not from anyone in this thread, I dare say. Relax.

Why do you say that?

I, for one, believe it.

So, everyone... does that adequately answer the "where did you get your degrees, Lerner?" questions?

Good idea! I wish I'd thought of it.

 

Well, as one who has been the target of harassment by Lerner's little pals elsewhere, I certainly share his desire to avoid the same. I recall they (and he) both used "auntie junco" as a term of opprobrium about me; I will try to believe that what he does not want to happen to him, he now does not want to happen to me. I am unsure that I believe this, but I'll work on it.

As to Lerner's university in Tiraspol, YES! It is a legitimate Moldovan state university and his degree from there should be accepted by all right-thinking people. The direct link to the university was not working when I checked it, but the link below to NGOs, etc., in Tiraspol and the surrounding Transdnistrian area in the Republic of Moldova has many interesting and wholly positive references to Lerner's alma mater.

http://www.iatp.md/tiraspolngo/activity_en.html

To Lerner directly: this is how you begin to build credibility around here. I am not yet persuaded that you are a person of good will, but I am much, much more open to that possibility than I was before your most recent post (which seems to have been squeezed out of you after you bit off more than you could chew in your swat at Randell and his degrees).

Also to Lerner: Would you bring me (and us) up to date on the current civic situation between Moldova as a whole and the largely Slav Transdnistria region? I have lost track of where things stand. [ Please do this on off-topic forum, since it doesn't relate to A/UA matters. ] I look forward to your informed assessment of the civic situation there. Thanks.

Janko Preotul

 

Actually, I have to answer "no" to my own question on at least a point or two...

First, I don't mean to take being a doubting Thomas to an extreme, but it bears saying (but probably no more than that) that Lerner's having claimed a credential from an institution which Janko has -- along with its history, as Lerner described it -- verified, does not necessarily also mean that Lerner actually has a credential therefrom. I mention this because it didn't occur to me at first why Lerner made such a fuss about privacy and not revealing his name. It seemed, at first, non sequitur. Maybe I'm purblind, but only later did I realize that his privacy concern was probably in anticipation of his being asked to verify that he actually had a credential from the institution he was about to reveal to us. I'm afraid that, by so doing, any experienced police officer or detective/interrogator would likely tell us that he telegraphed that the claim itself was probably going to be a lie. I'm not saying it really is a lie; I'm merely pointing out that as impressive as Lerner's finally having come up with an institution name might be, we not only don't know if he actually has a credential therefrom but, by his behavior immediately precedent to his revealing it, we have sufficient reason to at least wonder. If I'm wrong, then I sincerely apologize... and I mean that. But I'm just trying not to ignore the elephant in the room.

Second, I could not help but notice that Lerner's answer did not include what "FTU" stood for; and what the credential(s) therefrom was(were). Could we learn those answers, please, Lerner?

 

I uunderstand that as long as I ceep my privacy many will have dout about my posts, intensions etcc.

U.J was corect when he comented about squeesed info from me, it was a weak moment.

All I ask is privacy, no I'm not an educator or enyone of influance, my posts are of personal opinion and at times what I hear or read.

My intensions are good. Time will show.

Learner

 

After 973 posts, time will show.

We'll see. Somehow I doubt it. Still, we'll see.

But don't you bloody dare, Lerner, to turn my comment about the information having to be squeezed out of you into some sort of whine about well-meant questions from Bruce and Gregg. You can bloody well twist your own words but not mine. You are a poltroon if you think you can get away with using one single word of mine to trash Bruce or Gregg. I won't let you. THAT lie is not within your poor power. Make no mistake about that, jou dom drol.

Bruce and Gregg are both superb moderators and I have NO complaint whatever about how they treat you, unless it be excessive patience with your troll-like evasiveness and your cowardly refusal to take responsibility for the attacks and provocation you make when anyone calls you to account for what you have said. In other words, they are nicer to you than you deserve, and yet you try to use my comment about you to impugn them. How dare you even try?

The reason you were asked for that information was that you had attacked the value of Randell's degrees for no bloody reason at all. You weren't pressured or forced or threatened in any way.

It's the other forums where you post under other names that try to violate people's privacy--you tried, too, and you applauded others who tried. I know this because you and your little pals tried to do this to me.

For a brief shining moment I thought that your mention of the Tiraspol/Shevchenko university was a sign of a new Lerner. It wasn't. You mentioned FTU but then won't say what it is (though I can bloody well guess). No one "outed" you about Shevchenko or FTU--you yourself provided this information. And since you have kept your name private (your perfect right BTW) no one can verify either of the institutions you claim to have attended, nor can any student list at those universities reveal who you are. Therefore, on these grounds, your fears for your privacy are simply another tired ruse in a long catena of ruses.

But now you are back to whingeing that one of us might do to you what you don't mind in the least being done to others. Not a chance. We don't do that. Period. As far as violations of privacy, why don't you ask Quinn, or Gus, or Galanga, or Mark Israel, or Cordelia Gollin, or, for that matter, Gregg? You shuck and jive while others dish it out and them calumniate us by the asinine suggestion that we might do to you what those wretches do to others. Shame! You engage in verbal hit-and-run and then complain that your Toyota got an owie.

You claim you're from Csernovics/Cernauti/Chernovtsy/Czernowitz. Why don't you sit down with the poetry of Paul Celan and learn something about verbal responsibility?

Or not.

I guess it's up to you. It always has been.

But you are an inflammatory time-waster, no more, no less. We were encouraged to give you the benefit of the doubt. I did. Now I doubt the benefit of that.

Basta.

Ciao.

 

Gregg,
Does this mean I can start picking on Lerner again?
Carl

 

I don't think any of us -- including me -- should be "picking on" anyone. Some things, of course, are worth noting, observing or asking once. In the case of Lerner's credentials, he put that out on the table. But he also has the right not to disclose them if he doesn't want to; and we should respect that.

I have a sense that Lerner understands what the problems are. He's come a long way from where he used to be... and constructive criticism, and not picking on him, is how I think that's happened. One can only assume that more of that will yield continued good results. I mean... sure, maybe I'm wrong... but I'm just not ready to give-up on Lerner yet. We've seen others come here with wrongheaded ideas about distance education, accreditation, etc... and they've turned around. I am extremely optimistic about Lerner.

So, everyone... how's 'bout we all try to get back on topic here... said topic being RA vs specialized/professional accreditation. Okeedokee?

 

Fine. Why don't we start by asking Lerner to amend the inflammatory thread title to a neutral question form? After all, it's not a proven fact.

 

UJ, my personal opinion is that RA + PA Spec A in professional fields is a must.

I do think that RA degrees in professional fields that are not PA are of sub standard(with a few exclusions such s HU).

I appreciate Gregg’s comments and will prove him right.

My topic is RA for academic degrees vs. RA+PA or Spec A for Academic Professional degrees and qualifications.

Learner

 

http://www.ncate.org/public/whyNCATE.asp?ch=2

A recent study in Kentucky found that the vast majority of that state’s new teachers said that their education prepared them very well for their jobs in K–12 schools. Over 90 percent of new teachers said they were extremely well prepared, very well prepared, or moderately well prepared. Over two-thirds said they were extremely well prepared or very well prepared. Almost all of these new teachers graduated from NCATE-accredited institutions in that state.

Testimonials from institutions that have completed the accreditation process report that the self-study for NCATE review helped them improve their programs. The same process has worked successfully for many years in medicine, law, engineering, architecture, psychology, social work, and other professions.

learner

 

Okay... I just deleted some unpleasant and bickering posts.

C'mon you guys... stay on topic (that being RA vs specialized/professional accreditation); and please don't make me close the thread, okay? Please.

Hey! What's wrong with that as a new, less inflammatory thread title?

• RA + specialized/professional accrediation in professional fields is a must!

That's it! Perfect. Consider it changed.

Okay, then... let's resume, shall we? But on-topic, please.

 

Just to add my 2 cents.

Course accreditation is just as important as instituational ones. For example, in the UK, a university may have Royal Charter but they could offer any course and using any methods. To be a professional engineer there, you need to take a course accredited by EngC, IEE or BCS etc. The same thing apply in the states for Engineer its ABET.

Now, saying that, I really would not go down the path to say a degree is sub-standard, its just a matter of recognition.

The same principle apply to unaccredited schools. Yes, there are scams but each school should be given a chance to prove its standard before been labeled.

I do not believe that lack of oversight automatically means diploma mill. Of course the risk of that is higher but not automatic.

 

linkage between RA and professional accreditation

Hypothetically, suppose some RA university offered a program in a field where professional accreditation (PA) is highly desireable, for example, electrical engineering with an emphasis on electric power. Let us further suppose that this university does not have PA, nor is it pursuing it. Furthermore, the university makes no effort to warn people enrolling in the program that the lack of PA will limit the usefulness of the degree.

Wouldn't the regional accreditor take a dim view of the university offering a degree of limited usefulness, and take appropriate action against the university?

Gerry Ashton PE
BS Electrical Engineering, USC
MS Electrical Engineering, Syracuse

 

That limited usefulness is far from proven, Ashton, as I am certain you astutely know. Long time no see. Welcome back.