Question for Kirkland Regarding California Coast University

Great point.

 

Hi Dave,

Thank you for your response sir.

As a DETC university student, I am a big supporter of their mission.

On 1 - What do you see in DETC as lacking to meet the standard?
Do you think they ever will meet that standard?

2 - Point taken, I do think States have to step up and take
responsibility on quality control. That could improve the
reputation and legitimacy of the schools.

P.S. I know


Thank you for your thoughts,

Mike

 

Thank you James, your words are wise...

Most of us are here because we share concerns and thoughts. We have a noble cause to further higher learning. Some of us are students and some Doctors yet we really share many of the same concerns.

I have witnessed some who come here for no good, who are suspect, but they don't seem to stick around. They try to throw one of the degree mills at us. They then get eaten up, as they should be.

My point is, the rest of us should stick together and learn from each other. We can and will disagree. We can do it together and not apart.

 

Smile a little!!!

Know why they raised the minimum drinking age in Tennessee to 32?

They wanted to keep alcohol out of their High Schools.



Did you hear about the new $3,000,000 California state lottery?


The winner gets $3 a year for a million years.


NO INSULT INTENDED FOR EITHER STATE

 

I'm too civilized for a disembowelment, but I enjoy a good hanging.

 

Why James...

Southern hospitality? Isn't Mississippi full of brotherly love?
Oops that's Philly in Pennsylvainia. Pennsylvania? Hmmmm where is cehi?

 

Well yes, we hang them very hospitably in the South...

Let's see .....someone brought up the idea of DETC credibility and/or recognition. I think there is a lot at stake for DETC, especially now with what appears to be a significant level of fraud in distance education along with growing media and government attention to the problem. With the spotlight on, I believe that DETC realizes that they must promote standards that are equal to RA if they are going to be a viable alternative in accrediting academic programs at the bachelors and masters level now and hopefully doctoral level in the future. They currently publish this position on their website. It would be disasterous for them to let in a goon.

 

I agree but it is equally clear that in recent years they have let in several "goons". Are you suggesting they have changed their pattern recently or that they "should" change their pattern? Is there any evidence of this?

 

Hi Mike

1. RA has a huge lead and probably a lock on the number one position. On the other hand, DETC has made immense progress and built a solid position.

2. Since the Federal government has backed away from any consumer protection in this area it may well be up to the states. Certainly Oregon, Hawaii and a few other state have stepped up and done a great job. Meanwhile others like Wyoming have become the domicle of choice for substandard schools.

 

C. Novick: "Southern hospitality? Isn't Mississippi full of brotherly love?
Oops that's Philly in Pennsylvainia. Pennsylvania? Hmmmm where is cehi?


Cehi: The city of brotherly love, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, is looking good and bubbling very well with all the northeastern hospitalities.

 

Hey Dave,

Thanks for the info. I truly hope to see DETC continue to progress.

As I have stated, I am a student in a DETC university and the course work is comparable to TESC. I only say that because I went to TESC for awhile, so I do speak from experience.

I readily state that given the opportunity, I would love to go to a prestigious RA university ( University of Virginia ) my personal favorite (went there for awhile). Unfortunately, it just isn't in the cards and this is the next best thing for my situation and I am sure for many others.

That is why I support DETC and hope that their progress continues and they get better recognition in the future.

Best wishes,

Mike

 

Hey Cehi,

Philidelphia is one of my favorite places to visit. I'm going to miss the "Vet" lots of history and the Eagles rule. How about you? People from Pennsylvania are the coolest, very friendly!

Mississippi...well now, that is a different story with that James character "hanging" around down there. He doesn't play around.

I'm taking my vacation north to P.A. this year.

Best wishes,

Mike

 

I'll have you know we use the very softest, finest ropes for our hangings, and most of the time bother with a trial first.

As to DETC, a few bad apples have slipped through, just as some slide through RA. Not all RA schools meet the smell test either. Both could be more vigilant.

 

Yes, I'm suggesting that DETC is motivated to tighten their policies in order to expand their scope (doctoral degrees) thereby expanding their influence and increase their revenues. This can only come about IF the perception of quality is being met. Also, with the increase of scumschools online their job is even more important with regulators and educators looking more intensely at the problem. No further data though, just my assessment of the current market conditions. You indicate several schools have been accredited by DETC that perhaps shouldn't have. Any further information on that?

 

Ah. So you are suggesting they should tighten up and be careful to admit high qualty schools not that they already have made the change.

Two examples of schools that did not fully meet their criteria when admitted are ACCIS and Andrew Jackson U.

 

From what I've read, DETC seems to be a work in progress, transitioning from vocationally oriented schools to academics and expanding in that regard. With that said, I believe the trend will be for them to enact higher quality processes. Do you have any information that indicates the level of insufficiency and are ACCIS and AJU compliant now?

 

I would be interested in knowing what the criteria is that these schools failed to meet. Have they changed to meet this criteria?

 

ACCIS (AICS at the time) claimed bogus accreditation right up to the day that they got DETC accreditation. This is what disappointed me the most about DETC accrediting ACCIS. That is a very deceitful marketing tactic that exhibits gross dishonesty (IMHO), yet DETC seemingly ignored it. Another problem with AICS is that they wouldn't admit students from the state that AICS operated from.

 

According to Bears' guide book 15th edition, ACCIS went from being unlicensed and unable to accept Alabama -based students, to becoming state licensed, to finally gaining recognized accreditation from the DETC. After they became state approved they accepted students from Alabama. Their track record is one of constant improvement until they reached accreditation level. They have proctored exams and require much work to earn a degree. They should be accredited.

 

I thought that the discussion was DETC and why it caused some of us concern when DETC accredited AICS? I'll try explaining myself again.

DETC obviously feels that AICS should be accredited and that is why they are accredited! I have some concern about DETC in that DETC would feel that an organization that engages in dishonest marketing practices should be accredited. Keep in mind that the claims to bogus accreditation was being made right up to the time that it was switched to DETC accreditation. I would have felt much better about DETC if they had, for example, told AICS that they would have to stop the dishonest claim to false accreditation for 6 months or a year before accreditation would be granted.