PhD Business Administration, Paris College of International Education

If you have to ask.....

 

Correction. Chavagnes is not totally a boarding school. Boarding is only available for boys - Jr. and Sr. Day students attend 8:30 to 4:30 Mon. - Fri. From the pics and the write-up, it appears the Junior division is co-ed. Senior division - boys only. Again, definitely not a University.

 

I had seen mention of a Bachelor of Liberal Arts somewhere before posting, and there's a brief mention of this as a news blurb on their site as well. If that is no longer being offered, I apologize for erroneously including Chavagnes Studium in the list.

Regardless, I think the point still stands that being a private university is not grounds to disqualify PUIE entirely. Though, a thorough analysis of their course offerings, professors, etc. would still be in order, should anyone be up for the challenge.

 

After stepping away for a few minutes, I remembered that there had been several discussions here on DI about another France-based 'private university'. After some searching, I found it: https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?threads/european-global-university-accreditation.56620/

I haven't checked the most up-to-date French government listings, but I believe the EGS University is/was also a legally recognized 'private university' with dubious recognition.

So, it seems that this 'private university' categorization can be quite the mixed bag, having both legitimate institutes (or GAAP schools, if you prefer) like some of the major Catholic universities and some schools of...lesser repute.

In many ways, this reminds me of the titulo propio discussions we've had over the last few years. Some titulo propio degrees are from well-known universities that have a solid track record and are likely excellent programs; meanwhile, we had examples of little-known schools (in Mexico, for example) granting titulo propio masters degrees that could be finished in a few weeks. But in the French context, we may have well-known private universities like the aforementioned Catholic University of Paris offering their own degrees but also simultaneously have schools like PUIE offering degree programs of an unknown quality (or acceptance rate abroad).

 

To search for us on the French MOE website:

https://www.education.gouv.fr/acce_public/search.php

None of our faculty are full-time. We are determined to keep our fees low. Currently 3,600 euro for a bachelor and 1,990 euros for a masters degree.

Anyone can take the first course for free. Our fee system is study first, pay at the time of assessment. No one will finish a degree in a few months. We have requests all the time and always denied.


Paris College of International Education, 0756097V, is a non-contracted private distance education institution established on April 21, 2020 in accordance with Code of Education Articles L 444-1, 444-1 1 and R 444-1 to R 444-28.

Paris College of International Education requested a name change to Paris University of International Education and this name change became effective on 8 February 2023.
As a non-contracted private distance education institution, Paris University of International Education is approved to offer educational programs to their students. PUIE may legally grant degrees to students who complete their studies. However, these degrees do not have official recognition by the French Ministry of Education. Employers and educational institutions may independently determine the validity of these degrees.

As mentioned in previous posts, we have had students transfer to Lamar University and one of their "official" credit evaluation companies deemed PUIE the equivalent of a US regionally-accredited college or university. Students who completed their dergrees have gone on to masters at US universities.

We have had issues with graduates who want to study in the UK.

Many empllyers around the world have no issues and, as mentioned, WASC accepts our B.Ed. as a teaching qualification for international schools (at least they have in Thailand).

Thats all. Unvarnished. Just truth. Not overselling or hyping. Not for everyone but a good education for a price many can afford.

 

That is interesting. - What is your relationship with European International University, exactly?

 

Yes. found it. Sorry - thought I'd covered the whole site. Chavagnes has signed on as a partner with Institut Catholique d’Etudes Supérieures in delivering one program. A serious, Church-led degree program. The site says one course, an intensive philosophy course, will be held at the University of Lublin, where St. John Paul II was a professor, for 25 years.

Sounds to me like a quality, private Catholic primary / secondary school has partnered with a Catholic University in one program. I'm not sure what Chavagnes' role will be. Regardless, that is a distinctive achievement and I congratulate them; I wish Chavagnes and Institut Catholique every success. However, I fail to see how / where this partnership transforms Chavagnes itself into a University.[/QUOTE]

 

Then it's recognition is not sufficient. The whole point of recognition/accreditation is to certify that there are 1) publicly available sets of standards, and 2) a reasonably reliable 3rd party, and 3) said third party applied said standards and evaluated an institution, and found that the standards are reasonably being followed. Otherwise, every employer will have to do a thorough analysis, and most will not bother. Does French "private university" status imply something of this sort? To what degree? I genuinely don't know.
Also, "current and future needs". A family friend's son made plans to attend a graduate school in Germany, to follow his girlfriend and maintain their relationship. To his major heartbreak, the plan fell through when Anabin didn't recognize his undergrad degree (from regionally accredited US college, no less). The reason was that said degree incorporated block transfer of credits from some Swiss private hospitality school. I believe this reasoning is preposterous, but I am not German authorities and have no control over them. How confident do you think a PUIE graduate should be that his degree will satisfy every possible gatekeeper in his/her life?
As of Domuni - I trust them completely. Anyone with at least passing interest in the Catholic Church has heard of St. Dominic and the Dominican Order (one of the biggest Orders in the Church). They founded and run the Angelicum. They founded, and to some degree run, dozens of educational establishments around the world - including at least 10 RA universities in the United States. They run the St. Thomas Aquinas Institute in Kyiv, and my oh my do I like the idea of that school (their tuition donation is 6000 Hryvnya a year - about $165).I think the Dominican identity adds a little even to otherwise accredited institutions. I myself now work at a private, relatively unknown university, and appreciate the fact that it's a Franciscan institution (Franciscans are sort of traditional rivals of the Dominicans, since the 13th century). But even Domuni would benefit from some external validation - for the sake of the unbelievers, if nothing else.

 

Actually, every degree program must be approved. The documentation of content is approximately 100 pages with full course descriptions and materials.

But insufficient? I am not going to argue with your personal opinion. I know people who think only Ivy League is acceptable in the US. Must be top 50, etc. People all have opinions. People can make up their own minds.

None, but I know some of them from past cooperations.

 

Out of curiosity, why is WASC involved in accepting degrees at schools in Thailand? Surely, that would be the job of the local Ministry of Education do so, right?

 

WASC accredits international schools all over the world that wish to be under WASC. If you are an international school in Thailand you need to register and be approved by the office of Basic Education and, then, if you choose, you might like to get accreditation from WASC as it is an American accreditation. Probably give you a leg up on the competitors? I am just assuming since I have never been associated or worked at an international school.

WASC = Western Association of Schools and Colleges.

 

OK. There was a posting on linkedin - 7mo ago - in which the URL EIU was mentioned - so I thought that there is a connection.

 

I have no answer for that! Disturbing actually.

 

Does that link still exist?

 

You bet. Screenshot taken several minutes before I posted it. - Right now, you can still find it here: https://cm.linkedin.com/school/pciefrance/?trk=public_profile_topcard-school

Any good explanation is appreciated.

 

I actually have a full chat exchange on this with our former marketing guy... who used to work for EIU...

I would post pics but not sure how to do that here....

19:08 Bruce dude have you ever seen THIS?
19:08 Bruce Photos
19:27 Sailes Yes
19:27 Sailes We did this long time ago
19:27 Bruce Read it carefully
19:27 Sailes We paid for fb post
19:28 Sailes Oh no
19:28 Sailes Is that for real?
19:28 Sailes Damn
19:28 Bruce Apparently
19:28 Sailes Is that link still active
19:28 Sailes It should be apply.puie.ac
19:28 Bruce Weird right?
19:29 Bruce It was apparently on LinkedIn
19:29 Sailes Weird
19:29 Sailes We didnt put on linkedin
19:29 Bruce very weird
19:30 Sailes Let me edit the fb one
19:30 Sailes Linkedin i dont see it
19:30 Sailes This is my fault for not checking
19:30 Sailes My apologies
19:32 Sailes Photos
19:32 Sailes The actual post on fb
19:32 Bruce but weird omn linkeedin
19:33 Sailes Is it still on linkedin
19:33 Sailes Sorry for taht
19:33 Sailes That*
19:33 Bruce i asked
19:33 Bruce checking
19:34 Sailes Photos
19:34 Sailes Sorry
19:34 Sailes Its there
19:34 Sailes Just edited
19:34 Sailes To puie.ac
19:34 Sailes Sorry Bruce
19:34 Bruce how did that happen???
19:34 Bruce we paid to promote EIU>
19:35 Sailes To be honest i dont know, it must be have been the auto generate
19:35 Sailes And i overlooked
19:35 Bruce ok
19:35 Sailes No worries we didnt pay anything on linkedin.
19:35 Sailes Sorry i will be more careful
19:35 Bruce some questions about this online
19:35 Sailes This links can be confusing
19:36 Sailes Okay sorry about that.
19:41 Bruce Ok

 

AsianStew - in another thread: "Haha, that reminds me of the European International University that's got an office in France, but their headquarters are in Thailand."

Due to long-standing legislation, even a toe-hold in France is sufficient to make a school French - and that will hinder, hamper and likely prevent legal closure of that school under any circumstances - even one where the proprietor has been convicted of fraud. We had a long thread (and several threats of the week) regarding such a case around 2010-11. I am not naming the school, in case someone from there might grab his flame-thrower once again, as has happened more than once, since then.

I don't think it matters WHAT EIU did or didn't do, re: evaluations or anything. I thought we'd finished with them.

EIU - French office, HQ - Thailand
IEU - Not well known - but genuine. Different school entirely.

 

personally, we at PUIE are not interested in pay for play evaluation or accreditation. When our program was initially evaluated for students entering Lamar University, it was through NACES or AICE member evaluation agency as required by the state of Texas. I’ve been in this industry for a long time, and I’ve seen other organizations pay a great deal of money to get some letters that they could put on the bottom of their website, but if they pay the fee they get the endorsement. I’d rather not play that game.

 

I haven't been paying attention to this thread much at all, but this is a dodgy statement. No legitimate school avoids recognized accreditation. There were a few religious exceptions in the past, like Bob Jones University, but otherwise no.

I'm not assessing the school or anything else that has been said in this thread. Just that.