PhD Business Administration, Paris College of International Education

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  1. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    Hello everyone!

    As you may know from reading here, the last year has been a bumpy road where I have sought intensively after a business program that fits my needs.
    A year full of falls, standing back up and moving forward. A year of searching my academic identity.

    After previously having obtained 6 masters through the UI1 and ENEB agreement, an associate's degree in legal studies, a level 6 diploma in business studies (bachelor level), a postgraduate in fiscal law, I briefly enrolled into the MBA from Hellenic American University which turned out not to fit my needs and I retracted.
    Then I got an offer Upgrad for Deakin University, but didn't go along with it eventually because the study method was so chaotic and they only guaranteed the postgraduate diploma from MIT Gaziahbad and not acceptance into Deakin.

    I finally found a program that suits my needs, that makes me happy and that satisfies my crave for a '' prestigious '' higher education degree in business:

    I opted for Paris College of International Education, PhD in business administration.
    I applied and was accepted after providing 3 reference letters and having my previous diplomas and degrees assessed, as well as my research proposal.

    I will be developing my own leadership and management style, based on a research of previous leadership and management styles that have been described throughout business history, and I will project this specific leadership and management style that comes out of the synthesis and analysis of previous leadership and management styles, on the company I work for.
    Then I will defend it in a viva voce examination.

    I'm so excited!

    It's been a week since I enrolled and I have 10000 words already.
    The end result will probably be around 200k words.

    Keep you all posted.

    I also did my research if the PhD would be accepted in Belgium and it indeed will be accepted at the doctoral level (EQF8).

    I now put ''PhD candidate'' behind my signature.

    Made a 2000 euro down deposit and total cost will be around 7000 euro.

    I will regularly update this thread.
     
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  2. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    Hello!


    Well, I sincerely hope that this will work for you. Personally, I think that is a bad idea, but hey... good luck anyway.


    Best regards,
    Mac Juli
     
  3. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    Thank you for the well wishes.
    I checked with Belgian ministry.
    It gets accepted here.
    May I ask why you are sceptic about this?
     
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  4. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    Interesting actually: They're a subsidiary of teflintl.com, I just found out as I was sending them an "info" request using their "contact us" form. Their form broke and mentioned to email [email protected] - *sigh*... I don't know if they have the proper authority and accreditation to grant degrees. I checked their pricing, not bad at all, but accreditation seems funky somewhere... someone take a look and report back! PhD link, https://pcie.ac/phd.php - I used the contact us to ask about the 7 specializations and Firefox crapped out. Maybe another browser would fix...
     
  5. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    They have degree granting power under the French ministry of higher education.
    Here in Belgium their degrees are accepted.
     
  6. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    Well, spoke too soon. There are two forms on that page, I filled in the bottom form and it failed. Using the same browser, I filled in the "middle" of the page form and it went through... LOL
     
  7. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    I'm also really curious about why Mac Juli thinks this is a bad idea, but also I am a big supporter of you exploring every option and adding to your knowledge and the Board's. From the last time this school came up, they can lawfully award degrees but they lack accreditation. Whether that will fit your needs is hard to tell.

    Good luck!
     
  8. Johann766

    Johann766 Active Member

    Seems to me that none of the many courses of study you´ve finished lead to a real state-recognized degree.
    They are all valid but none of them is a real state-recognized degree.
    Now you want to add another course of study that with an unclear state-recognition.

    I like those "smart" courses of study that are being discussed here a lot. However I´d rather aim for a traditional state-recognized Bachelor if I were you and if I´d be willing to invest that much time as you seem to want to (when you want to write a 200k word thesis).
     
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  9. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    I expect it's because, in prior threads, it seems like TeacherBelgium has big expectations that are in no way going to be met by any degree that could possibly be obtained. I, too, am skeptical but I wish TeacherBelgium all the luck in their endeavor. I hope you find satisfaction in this degree.
     
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  10. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

  11. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    "State-recognized" can mean different things in different places. In the U.S., a school can be state-recognized and unaccredited whereas in some other countries a school can't be state-recognized without being accredited, and then in others "the state" is the one who does the accrediting or oversees the office that does it.

    He has degrees from ENEB, and those have evaluated to U.S. regionally accredited equivalency and U.S. non-accredited equivalency, so at least from the U.S. he would be fine in any "state-recognition" matter, but I can't speak on Belgium specifically, I don't know that system. I imagine he has done his research to know what authorities in his country will accept.
     
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  12. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    This degree is state-recognized here in Belgium.
    They are registered in the data base of higher education in France, so here in Belgium that would automatically translate to a state-recognized equivalency certificate that this is indeed a PhD.
    I don't know if it would be recognized as a PhD in the United States, but here in Europe it won't make for a problem.
    My American employer is also willing to recognize it as a PhD because of the alliance with Lamar in Texas, US.

    My ENEB / UI1 degrees are also state-recognized. The Belgian government provided me with equivalency certificates that 5 of them are equivalent to bachelor degrees.

    1 is recognized as a master degree by NARIC Belgium.

    My level 6 diploma is on par with a bachelor and gets recognized as such.

    My associate's degree is also state-recognized as it was delivered by a university-college.

    I also hold a postgraduate degree in tax that is also recognized (delivered by accredited university-college).

    University of Illinois offered me admission to their master in management without a scholarship.
    They recognized my degrees as the regional equivalence of an American master degree but did not believe that another master degree would help me get where I wanted to be.
    So they denied the scholarship that I applied for but offered admission without the scholarship.
    I can't fathom taht they would offer admission if they didn't recognize my degrees.
    The admission advisor at University of Illinois said that I qualified to study with them but that she didn't see what another degree would bring me. In my case she was worried that I had too high expectations of what a degree could do for me.

    In my case it's not that my diplomas / degrees don't have recognition, it's more that people tell me that another degree or diploma won't do anything and that I should instead focus on work experience to move up in my career.

    I'm studying this PhD for the title it will give me.
    At this point I have accepted that degrees alone aren't a maggic bullet to an astronomic raise in salary.
    I think I will nowhere receive a 200k$ salary without work experience. Despite having hoped that degrees alone could get me there.
    But by this point everyone has told me that I'm chasing a dragon by wanting more degrees to earn more salary.
    Apparently diplomas and degrees matter less in the work force than I had hoped they would.
    But still, I want this PhD to be able to put doctor on my Linkedin profile and behind my email signature.
    The title is the most important to me.

    I did my due dilligence before starting and contacted NARIC Belgium and they said it would be recognized as a PhD if the school is in teh database of gouv.fr and the fact that it's a distance learning establishment didn't matter a lot to them according to the employee on the phone.

    But I get what you mean: some people prefer more traditional set-ups and that's fine too.
    It's more about what works for someone in their personal situation and I'm satisfied with PCIE service from what I have experienced up until this day.


    Will update this thread regularly.
     
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  13. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    That is great information. More proof of ENEB/UI1's legitimacy.

    More proof. Wow!

    No, they definitely wouldn't admit you if they didn't recognize your degrees. That is really good info.

    They're not entirely off. The experience component is really important, even more when trying to go beyond entry-level.
     
  14. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

  15. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    Wait a moment, one of the 6 was recognized as a Masters?! Tell me more, which one? How? I think this is awesome!
    I just have one question though, were there any other requirements for that to be recognized as a Masters vs the other 5?
     
  16. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member


    The big data one! Because that one had enough courses that "diverted" from the main MBA.

    The other 5 were recognized at Bachelor level.

    The others were recognized as bachelor because the main degree was recognized as bachelor and the others resembled it with one or two courses difference.
    But the big data one was different enough from the others that it was recognized as a "eenjarige master graad" which translated means "one year master degree" .

    People are weirded out that I obtained 5 bachelor's degrees though. The first question is always " why so many degrees? What did you hope to accomplish by studying so much?"
     
  17. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    I contacted NARIC Belgium before I enrolled with PCIE to be sure it would be recognized and they confirmed.
    Belgium is one of the most demanding and annoying countries to obtain a degree in Europe, so if Belgium accepts it I'm confident other European countries will too.
    The Lamar alliance made my US employer enthusiast too.
     
  18. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    But I am satisfied about my choice, it was a good ROI. I already had a level 6 diploma which is on par with a bachelor but you always see that people are more at ease when they see teh words "bachelor" formally stated.
    The master in big data brought me more than the postgraduate diploma in tax law.
    The postgraduate diploma in tax is the one that cost me most and resulted in the least ROI.
    The associate's degree in legal studies is seen as valuable by my American employer.
    Law studies seem to have a better connotation under Americans than here in Europe.
    Americans always seem more "impressed" when they see a law qualification on your résumé than Europeans.
    I'm mostly doing the doctoral degree for personal satisfaction and for the title that I will be able to put in front of my name.
     
  19. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    They're not entirely off. The experience component is really important, even more when trying to go beyond entry-level.[/QUOTE]

    This is sadly something that I learned way too late :-(
    I thought university education instantly opens the gates of heaven, but then afterwards you realise that experience in the work field is still what people care most about.
    So it opened the doors to entry-level indeed, but the rest will only come with experience from what I'm told.
    It's a bit disappointing because secretely I hoped to skip the work experience part if the academic background is strong enough, but then you realise that employers only care about how much money you make them earn and not per sé about the qualifications in academia you hold.
    I have been naive there and hoped that the right degree would immediately get me into management but then you learn that that is not how things work in corporations.
    Patience is still difficult for me. I'm the type of person that hopes to earn 10k$ a month in no time, and then you learn that that's not how it works, not even with enough diplomas.
    The good thing is that my employer likes my motivation.
    My manager told me recently when I asked her what I could hope for in the long haul:
    "I wouldn't love anything more than if you were one day to become a director".
    It made me think managers say that to anyone to keep them quiet but secretely I also felt honored when she made that statement.
     
  20. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Active Member

    Considering that you enjoy writing due to the 6 Masters degrees you earned through U1/ENEB, this PhD program seems like a perfect fit. The programs you were enrolled in likely didn't meet your needs because their programs are more centered on busy coursework. You need one major examination/project to focus on.
     
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