PhD Business Administration, Paris College of International Education

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  1. ExpatEducator

    ExpatEducator New Member

    If anyone is legitimately interested, I would be very happy to discuss the history of how and why puie was created. But I think it probably will be better in a completely new thread.
    Anyone who is legitimately in this industry not as a participant, but as a player knows that there are organizations that you can just pay money and they will accredit you. I’m not going to name them, but I’ll give you an example. There is a college, that I know of that was being sued by 80 of their former students because they were owed a tuition reimbursement. This college applied for an accreditation through a rather well-known accrediting organization. When the students learned of this, they contacted the accrediting organization and told them of their plate and showed them details and evidence, along with emails from the college itself admitting that they owed the money. The accrediting organization completely ignored the students, and said that the college had assured them that there was no issue. they received their accreditation.

    That’s what I’m talking about. Accredited organizations that will credit you simply by paying them. There is very little actual assessment.

    When our students initially transferred to Lamar University, we had to use one of Lamar University’s approved assessment organizations. It was all completely professional and legitimate. I wasn’t paying them $10,000 to get the answer that I wanted.

    I hope that makes my position clear.

    my apologies for any spelling or grammatical errors as I’m using my phone.
     
  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Even if we stipulate that to be true--and I certainly do not--there are accrediting agencies who do not do that. It remains a dodgy statement. And I'm being kind with using the term "dodgy." It is not what I really mean.
     
  3. ExpatEducator

    ExpatEducator New Member


    Perhaps you misunderstood me or perhaps I was not clear.

    I did not say we avoid all accreditation. I said we avoid "pay for play". We are currently in the process of gaining a Business school accreditation. It does take time with the legit organizations which are few and far between.

    And you are still entitled to your opinion.
     
  4. ExpatEducator

    ExpatEducator New Member


    I am just curious--you seem very willing to say that certain colleges and universities are "dodgy". Do you not concede that there are likely accrediting organizations that are also dodgy, if you could see behind the curtain (as I have)?

    The one I am referring to is a big name and officially recognized by the UK.
     
  5. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    There's a certain accreditor out of UK that gets a lot of criticism on this board. Anyway, at university level, the only game in UK is QAA; private associations that purport to accredit foreign schools can totally be "dodgy".
     
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  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    No, I didn't. I said the statement was dodgy. And it is. I took specific pains to avoid commenting on the school itself. You're creating a strawman argument and I don't want any part of it.
     
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The one to which you refer is not performing accreditation in the traditional sense of determining what is and is not a recognized degree-granting institution. That renders it irrelevant.
     
  8. ExpatEducator

    ExpatEducator New Member

    in my opinion, you literally twisted my words in order to attack PUIE.

    so here’s a nice challenge for you then. List the actual legitimate accrediting organizations for which PUIE may apply.

    As some background information, I have a US nonprofit organization that’s been operating post secondary education for 20 years. Three years ago, I decided to apply for the state of Oregon to be able to actually grant credits for the courses that we offer. I didn’t actually expect to become degree granting. I just wanted to be able to offer legitimate university credit. I applied through the state office.

    Their reply was a 13 page response. Demanding that we cease all operations including courses we’ve been offering for 20 years. I had to respond by showing them the approvals from the department of justice for us to offer these courses and all the documentation we had created when we formed our nonprofit organization.

    But their message was very clear. The colleges and universities in the state of Oregon are an exclusive club, and we are not interested in any interlopers coming into compete with them.

    Lesson learned.

    I think you have a rather idealistic view of what higher education is actually like. As someone who has been in this field for a long time, I can tell you there are a lot of nasty players on pretty much every side.
     
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  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I haven't said a word about that organization. Not one. Again, you're baiting me into a strawman. Pass.
     
  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I guess I should turn in my PhD in that subject, huh? I mean, if it hasn't done me any good, right?

    Please stop.
     
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  11. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Not that a foreign institution should necessary have to do so, but I believe all of the CHEA-member accreditors will accredit non-US institutions, including (the increasingly misnamed category of) regional accreditors.
     
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  12. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Well... I must confess that I am way less curious about PUIE and it's degree programs. Based solely on the level of maturity and professionalism demonstrated by an anonymous poster purporting to be that school's admin and/or proprietor.

    Incidentally, anyone can go to The ACE National Guide database to browse through a list of private organizations (including Walmart and Disney) successfully offering classes with college credit recommendations. All of them went through a process that did not include applying "through the state office" in Oregon. I confess I have no idea what "state office" in Oregon is in charge of offering "legitimate college credit" and what would that even mean. But you didn't try to explain it so people can understand, did you? Trolling and shilling do not require clarity.
     
  13. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Yes. As far as I know, the list of RA institutions abroad includes several French private universities. Legitimate ones. The bar is not even that high; Charisma is reportedly on the verge of getting TRACS, after securing a form of accreditation from Germany. If even they can do it...
     
  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    If it helps any, Stanislav - I think it means this Government office - not positive, though. The Office of Degree Authorization. https://www.oregon.gov/highered/institutions-programs/private/Pages/office-degree-authorization.aspx

    The ODA is sort of the "higher ed. police" for Oregon and they aim to protect people in their state from parting with their money for unauthorized or substandard education. Their mandate is fully explained up-front. And yes - whether I'm correct or not, the poster should have specified, as you commented.

    If we are talking about the ODA, it sounds like they really didn't like the school under discussion.
     
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