Oregon starts labelling "diploma mills"

legitimate Elbonian institutions

IIRC, ODA recognizes University of Liberia degrees.

G

 

I guess that I was confusing it with something else. I'm unfamiliar with this school.

I think that anyone with an IQ above room temperature could have seen that particular criticism coming.

The ODA were very badly advised to start directly classifing schools in the first place.

The Oregon statute classifies them indirectly, according to whether they are subject to a US Dept. of Education recognized accreditor or to a foreign body that applies equivalent standards.

Obviously schools that receive substandard oversight are a very mixed bag, ranging from a small number of RA-equivalent places to a large number of full-frontal mills, with hundreds of mystery-schools somewhere in-between.

That's simply an inevitable fact of the situation. If the ODA had simply left it there, despite the occasional sniping from Degreeinfo, they would have been on very strong ground.

I'm unfamiliar with California Pacific University, so I can't comment on it.

But I will say that the reason why CA-approval differs from regional accreditation is precisely because it is less reliable and seems to enforce a noticably lower low-end. I think that some CA-approved schools (I've named some of them on other threads) are academically RA-equivalent and would probably have very little trouble getting Bob Jones style OR-recognition if they were motivated to apply. I think that other schools on the BPPVE list are probably so substandard as to justify the use of the term "degree-mill" (mostly ones operating under the religious exemption). And many of them are just kind of lame. They may have considerable value for some group of Californians, but they probably don't meet the Oregon statutory requirements.

 

Mark, When you have "THE KING OF DEGREE MILLS", who is also a full time DegreeInfo exponent, claiming that he alone was responsible for getting Alan C to add Knightsbridge to his list, backed up by the remaining 'gang of six' at DegreeInfo, almost everyone at CH believes Alan C to be 'in the pocket' of DegreeInfo.
My Knightsbridge PhD was close to 350,000 words and 600 pages; whereas the great RC PhD was 150 pages and 30,000 words. From this, and knowing the tremendous gap in value and quality, it is easy to see which university should have a 'D' on
the ODA list. Most definitely not Knightsbridge!
But, ignoring Knightsbridge the whole list lacks any sort of credibility and is nothing more than one persons totally subjective opinion.
I have mentioned to Alan C a number of blatant errors in his list, e.g. the fact that there are six Trinity Colleges and Universities, Almeda C&U is functioning extremely well - with its monthly newsletter now reaching close to 100,000, etc., etc. He simply did not want to know! And, of course, the list only shows a minute number of degree mills and misses many that have been around for a very long time.
Dr Anatidae (Knightsbridge)

 

Re: Innocent until proven guilty

Does that also apply to accreditation within the United States?

I think that it's within the rights of any jurisdiction to set degree standards for their own colleges and universities. Some localities may place that standard rather high. But given increased mobility, both domestic and international, people are going to be acquiring degrees in countless places and under countless competing standards, and then bringing them in and insisting that they be automatically recognized as totally equivalent. That obviously defeats the whole purpose of local university standards.

Oregon passed a law that attempted to address that problem. They demand that if a degree is used in their state, that the school that granted it possess US Department of Education recognized accreditation or that it satisfies an equivalent standard. Where it's unclear if the latter clause has been met, Oregon will look at cases individually.

 

Worthless!

The ODA unaccredited list has gone beyond any usefullness.

The list, in my opinion, is worthless.

All the ODA has to say is... all unaccredited degrees from anywhere are illegal unless they are on the ODA approved list. That list is the eight or ten schools shown at the top of the page that have been evaluated.

Saves eveyone a lot of trouble, otherwise it looks like blackmail.

 

Sorry, Bill. Seeing that several members of this board have done or are doing degrees at California Pacific, and that it has been a subject of many discussions, and that you are normally very well-versed in California-Approved schools, I figured you knew about it. It is probably more well-known than any other CA-Approved DL school after CCU and SCUPS, at least around here. That's why I was surprised.

California Pacific has been offering DL degrees in business since the 1970's. They've affiliated with other schools from time-to-time, but have always remained small--and narrowly focused. Their degrees have been approved since the early 1980's. I don't see what could distinguish their business degree programs with the ones conducted by SCUPS or CCU.

 

Same old nonsense. Please show me any instance where your Knightsbridge degree would be acceptable yet mine from Union would not. If you can possibly come up with examples, I'll come up with triple the number, or more. No one recognizes degrees from Knightsbridge. Whether or not it is a diploma mill is a subject for debate, I guess. But what is clear is that it does not meet the definition of a university, and that's what counts, right?

 

ODA

This is the third time some of you moderators have removed my posts.

This proves that you are not fair and I am out of here.


Regards

Zengo

P.S. Your opinions just hit very low.

 

There is a scrap of objective evidence showing that ODA is neither arbitrary and capricious nor against all SA schools. I refer to the fact that a SCUPS PhD is Psychology IS approved for use in Oregon.

SCUPS is, of course, California approved but definitely not accredited.

 

RC,
Please do some serious homework and keep your totally subjective and ill-informed comments to yourself. Your self-styled 'expertise' has worn very thin.
Whether you like it or not, Knightsbridge degrees are widely accepted throughout Europe, throughout most of Africa, Asia and many other countries.
Anyhow, I have paid for a copy of your dissertation and it is on its way from the USA (CollegeHints members to whom you agreed to send a copy are still awaiting their copies!) and I'm looking forward to reading it, and to passing my expert and informed comments on it.
Dr Anatidae (Knightsbridge)

 

Makes me proud to be an Oregonian

I love this stuff !!

It pits the elite against themselves, the allmighty DRs even enjoy comparing the length of certain things to others (Ok a thesis is
not likely a phallic symbol, then again.)

Do you see yourselves, Its amazing. I think Oregon is trying to prevent Degree Mill holders from using them for employment, or
additional monetary gain. It also realizes that the Degree Mill
Industry is making a few people a LOT of money. So the people in Oregon are trying to improve the system, send your feedback to them.

Is a Thesis about quantity or quality.

Gmund48
Oregonian (native)

 

I submit this sentence as the wonderful example of Dr. A's posts. In the same sentence he claims that the Alan Contreras made the list based on his own "totally uninformed and subjective opinions" and at the same time claimed that he's in the pocket of some un-named gang.

 

Galanga wrote:

The issue is not that they regulate what is taught within the borders of Oregon, but rather their attempt at regulating learning universally. The real problem is that these determinations by the State Oregon, will have profound consequences outside of that state. While I don't really care about degree mills, (I graduated GWU in DC) I do care about the non-degree mills that appear on the list that will cause problems for those graduates.

I'm done and will sink back into the shadows now.

Ernie

 

Oh, that would be "none," then. I thought so.

 

Right. "Expert and informed." A guy with two fake degrees. (Well, one from a diploma mill and another that has been labeled one.)

While you're free to say just about anything you want, I don't intend to debate it with you. You've routinely showed your inability to engage in intelligent discourse. Additionally, you're simply not qualified. Do a recognized doctorate and get back to me.

 

I don't know how. Your comment made me look at UMI's site to see if they finally put my dissertation up for sale. They haven't.

Another unsubstantiated comment from Hayes? No doubt. I guess he's hoping someone else will give him a copy and he can claim he purchased it. How much duck crap can one guy dish up?

 

RC,
Your latest drivel is not really worthy of a comment, other than - get real, get out of your rockingchair and learn something about DL education, and about the successes of huge numbers of graduates from unaccredited DL institutions.
Dr Anatidae (Knightsbridge)

 

Hello friends, sorry about my English.

Why this classification by my friend Alan?

With this man and his office give a D= Degree Mill to Akamai University? The biggest expert in distance learning in the world said that they operate legally in the State of Hawaii and the “students do real work with well-credentialed faculty”. http://www.degreeinfo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12856


PhD Pacific Western University (Criminal Justice)
MA Caribbean University (Criminal Justice)
BA American University of Puerto Rico (Criminal Justice)

 

Some of the faculty are well credentialed -- but others have worthless credentials.