Oregon starts labelling "diploma mills"

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by [email protected], Mar 2, 2004.

  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    40 classes AT KWU. (Which might be close to the entire set of courses at the whole place.)
  2. Jake_A

    Jake_A New Member

    What he said!
    The truth can be explosively funny sometimes.
    A KW"U" student with 40 courses? Yer kiddin' me? Not on yer life!

    - with 20 KW"U" courses for a degree? Never! Never!!
    - with 10 KW"U" courses? - Not even ONE such "student" exists!

    Remember that at KW"U:"
    - 4 courses (or slightly more) plus a final paper can get you a Bachelors degree,
    - 4 courses (or slightly more) plus a final paper can get you a Masters' degree, and
    - 4 courses (or slightly more) plus a final paper can get you a Ph.D. degree.

    Will ya ever find this in writing anywhere at KW"U?"

    Not on yer life!

    Are there many current and former KW"U" students walking around with or working on 4 courses+paper Bachelors' or Masters' or PhD degrees?

    Ya betcha!

    But sweat ye not, ye holders of legitimately accredited degrees in Oregon!

    In your great state (thanks to ODA's wonderful work and the Legislature's landmark statute), if you, with your 40 courses+paper accredited degree show up for an interview to compete with a KW"U" graduate with a 4 courses+paper unaccredited degree, there will be one huge difference:

    The resume from the unaccredited entity will bear the ominous words, disclaimer: '(Name of school) does not have accreditation recognized by the United States Department of Education and has not been approved by the Office of Degree Authorization.'

    Yes, it is true, and yes, you can laugh with glee, right about now.

    Oh, ye RA/NA/GAAP degree holders:

    Do not forget to kiss your accredited diploma or resume on your way home from the interview.


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  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Actually, you can't verify the degree requirements at all. That should bother you.

    Whether or not Kennedy-Western University is a diploma mill sits largely with each person's perception of it. Here's my laundry list of observable facts:

    Never operated with any form of oversight, accreditation, and/or governmental regulation.

    Moved its license from California to Hawaii to South Dakota to Wyoming as each state decided to apply some standards to it.

    Is not recognized as a university by any authoritative body. None.

    Claimed for many years fake accreditation.

    No way to determine exactly what is required to earn any degree, not just a bachelor's.

    Awards graduate-level credits for unverified and/or irrelevant "experience."

    "Courses" consist of reading a book and taking an open-book test.

    I could go on, but you get the idea. Is this school a mill? You decide. But the label doesn't matter unless you read its contents.

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