Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NCU Okay, Andy. I wasn't necessarily suggesting that 100% of the people with a 3.0 GPA and a master's degree should necessarily automatically get into a doctorate, automatically pass all their classes, automatically pass their comps, and automatically pass their dissertations. Of course, one does not go through gradf school as if on automatic pilot. What I was suggesting is that there are two models of graduate education: one is to see how many of your doctoral students you can knock down and whoever's left standing gets their doctoral degrees. The other would be to see how many you can raise to your level. Of course, even if a given professor (or even an entire school) takes the approach of trying to lift others to their level, there will be some who wash out. But with reported doctoral wash rates of 50% (I believe that figure comes from an old Capella thread), it begins to look like such an attrition rate is an enormous waste of resources. And when a school positions itself as a "learner centered institution," one would think that the model would be one of raising others to your level. And all of this hasn't really answered the question of why committee membership hadn't already been established at the beginning of the learner's program.