Migration policies are failing, migrants are strugling - ‘broken’ national immigration system

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  1. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    of course Sadducees were in play; they were even more elite than Pharisees. In fact, the totality of Jewish religious and social leaders screwed up. The main reason Pharisees are the punching bag in the Gospels is because they were the best of the bunch and should have known better. But didn't. Just like, you know, I bet Johnson knows way more Bible verses than any of us and always says grace before every meal - yet he IS a hateful little dwerp and a willing lackey of the orange heathen.
     
  2. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Well, it IS an off-topic tangent. I could try to find a better slur for Liddle MikeJo.
     
  3. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Wow, a tangent on a tangent…was Jesus a Pharisee? Certainly he understood how Pharisees reasoned. He was far from ignorant of the Oral Law. But we are told specifically that he taught from his own authority and that is a very un-Pharisaic thing to do. The crowd might have been amazed but the scholars were more likely appalled. Curious. Why would they care?
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I think it needs to be looked at the content of the time. There were many teachers and fractions, the Pharisee as umbrella party had range of fractions.
    We have echoes of disputes, later we read on House of Shamai, vs House of Hilel.
    Also the Pristly party was loosing and finally lost after the temple destruction.
    There were many Mesiahs, the one who's called Egyptian led thousands of followers to the desert only to be killed by Romann army.
    Sadusee, Pharisee, Issean, Herodianss, Zealots, Samaritans, Sons of Zadok, Mushlamites just to name a few.
    We can have off topic Teological discussions
     
  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Palestinian migrant who arrived via Mexico allegedly beat homeowner over his support for Israel: video

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/palestinian-migrant-arrived-via-mexico-090035232.html

    "EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: A 26-year-old Palestinian migrant is facing hate crime charges in New York after police say he stole a homeowner's U.S. and Israeli flags out of his yard and then beat the man to the ground while yelling antisemitic slurs.

    "These are not the type of people who come to America like my great-grandparents did, like your great-grandparents and grandparents and parents who came to America to kiss the ground," Nassau County Executive leaving the page." data-wf-tooltip-position="bottom" data-wf-reset-every="90" style="--inline-xray-tooltip-arrow-pseudo-marginleft: 37.816680908203125px;">Bruce Blakeman"


    Politicians are going to destroy this country if they keep getting their way on the border, immigration, and inclusivity/diversity. People need to assimilate, enter legally and follow our laws.
     
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  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I hope he's found guilty of a hate crime. Let him sit in jail and contemplate his stupidity. Like the man that shot those three innocent Palestinian boys just walking down the street. He shot them because they were wearing those Palestinean scarfs. He too needs to sit in jail for a long period to contemplate his stupidity.
     
  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Posting an article about someone who is the exception rather than rule is purposefully misleading and divisive.
     
  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Fox is just pandering to the immigrant paranoia. This has been the major play on the right for the past 20 years.

    Please note, I'm not saying we don't have a broken immigration system because we do. It is badly broken. The right wing bill coming out of the Senate helps some. It doesn't solve the "Dreamers" problem but it does fix a lot.
     
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  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Yes, but I was making a point not about what Fox News is doing, but about what Lerner is doing... again.
     
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  10. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    But The Don won't permit anything to be done about immigration because he wants to run on the issue.
     
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  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    But it is my opinion, yes, when I posted this comment I was angry.
    But I think it's not an exception anymore. It's one that was caught and there are many more.
    It's my honest opinion, and the prospect is frightening.
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Lerner, if reading articles about idiots acting like idiots and breaking laws upset you then I think it's extremely important to just not read such articles. This world is full of idiots acting like idiots and breaking laws. Such things are happening probably hundreds of times per day, if not thousands of times per day! You could be upset for the rest of your life. For your own good, it is best to just ignore such idiots rather than letting their idiocy upset you.
     
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  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Indeed. And for OUR own good, too.
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I try. I try really hard.
     
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  15. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    This is precisely the reason for the saying that you're entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts. You're letting yourself get riled up by populist propaganda, and then treating it as it it were journalism, which it isn't, and treating their claims as if they were facts, which they aren't.
     
  16. tadj

    tadj Well-Known Member

    https://nypost.com/2024/02/08/opinion/us-should-fight-to-defend-borders-in-ukraine-israel-and-at-home/

    Some highlights:

    "Why we can’t we have a party — Republican or Democrat — that can both protect the borders of the United States and those of our allies?"

    "But while these political games and stalemates are going on in DC, the rest of the world is looking on in horror. The Ukrainians are about to enter their third year of war, begun by Vladimir Putin’s brutal and unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. Not a single
    American has to fight there. All that the Ukrainians are asking for is to continue to be supported and armed in their fight. A fight which has already cost them a generation of young men — with the average fighting age of Ukrainian soldiers now entering
    their forties. The knock-on effects of this are being felt all over Europe, where the continent is waiting to see the consequences if Russia’s invasion is successful."

    "Pro-immigration Democrats and Republicans used to claim that America’s migration crisis was different from Europe’s and that the people coming into this country were at least Hispanic and therefore closer culturally than the Africans and Middle-Easterners who poured into Europe in recent years. Well look at the pictures from the southern border and you will see that the people coming into this country are a veritable United Nations. Noticeably dominated by sub-Saharan Africans.
    If Democrats think that these people are going to come in en masse and integrate happily into American life in their millions then they should look at the integration catastrophes that are roiling Europe today and think again. But again we come back to the main point. Why can’t Ukraine, Israel and the USA have borders? It seems obvious. Just not in DC."
     
  17. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Baloney. If a single Democrat has said something like that, I haven't seen it.

    There's simply no way to see this pearl clutching as anything other than blatantly, openly racist.
     
  18. tadj

    tadj Well-Known Member

    The argument runs along cultural lines, not racial ones. Plus it's a question of the scale of the phenomenon.
     
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    We are protecting our borders. But a lot more required to improve the system.
    Many failures that resulting from fldifferent reasons.
    I think border towns are affected the most,
    But now that migrants are transported to different locations in the country to load balance the effects, bad and good ones and that the issue gained high visibility for ellections campaigning it presents another oportunity to improve the whole system.
    We already have laws, would new laws be followed?
    Proper planning of millions of migrants absorption is one such area that can be improved. Work permits and health care, budgeting.
    Law inforcement of human trafficing, drug and other smuggling.
     
  20. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    No, it doesn't. Sub-Saharan Africans have one thing in common, and it's not culture.

    "They will not replace us!"
     
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