Migration policies are failing, migrants are strugling - ‘broken’ national immigration system

Oh, sure. I'm in favor of reparations as well so long as it costs me personally nothing and does not threaten my precious White Privilege. I am no better than anyone else, believe me. What really bothers me is that most white people seem to feel the same way as I do.

 

I never said that there was anything sinister in his definition. The white grievance that he espoused is what I referred to as sinister. The reason I referred to that as sinister is because the Nazi white supremacy folks preach that kind of stuff all the time. For example, Murray said, "But in the war on the West, white people are one of the first subjects of attack. A fact that has been steadily normalized and made into the only acceptable form of racism in the societies in which it happens." We could find very similar thoughts on many white supremacy websites.

 

Long before we discuss reparations or inclusion could we just stop killing young Black men? Could we at least agree that this might be a Good Start?

 

I'm not interested in paying reparations to people not directly harmed. But I'm very interested in removing the societal barriers to equality.

 

That's awfully naive of you, now isn't it?

 

I'd rather not talk about someone's privilege, if I don't know a single thing about them other than the colour of their skin. That goes for any type of population; black, white, or brown.

America has a unique relationship with its black population and its own set of historical and present-day injustices to solve on that front. I am not an American, but I also hope for some level of progress in this area.

Perhaps. But I am looking at his action on NATO during his first term in the hope of some level of continuance as opposed to a radical break. Ultimately, he did not withdraw from NATO, but he had some fairly sane advistors at the time, which did act as a deterrence.

 

Some level of "progress"? All we have to do is STOP IT.

 

A growing number of Chinese nationals, trying to escape repressive politics and a bleak economy, are headed to the U.S. They’re turning to a gap at the southern border with Mexico as a way to get in.

 

This is not new. It goes back a LONG way.

Smuggling of Chinese nationals into US - and human trafficking of Chinese nationals in US - has been going on since the 19th Century. For many decades, smugglers and the "Snake-heads" that run their criminal organizations have been paid fortunes by those who desperately want a better life. Smuggled Chinese nationals pay for the trip, all they can raise up-front, and payments for years and years after they land.

The Southern border has been an entry point for smuggled Chinese nationals for at least four decades. Trade there has picked up since the Chinese groups involved in smuggling have allied themselves with the Mexican cartels.

Article here: https://www.cfr.org/blog/chinese-human-smuggling-and-us-border-security-debate

 

For clarification's sake, as we're frequently discussing the issue of immigration policy in various places, do you support a complete open borders policy in the U.S.? Or are you simply sympathetic to the plight of the Chinese escapees? Are you an open borders libertarian in the vein of someone like Bryan Caplan?

 

I am definitely not pro-open border myself, but thanks for the clarification, Steve.

 

I hope those results are at least partly reproducible, in these times of much higher population density, both in your country and mine.
It would be a shame on us to have to welcome immigrants to a far-less-than-healthy economy. "Come share our privation." Hopefully, the infusion of ambitious and clever people - and their children - could change a lot of things for the better. It's certainly done so before.

 

I'm not for purely open borders because that would bring chaos to many systems. But I AM for a very liberal immigration policy. As Steve implies, we're ignoring the huge impact on our economy an influx of workers brings.

But I suspect something else besides economics is behind the anti-immigration crowd. But for the life of me, I can't imagine what that might be.

 

I agree.

I'm sure that there are multiple factors that differ from person to person. Trump has said some things that might give us some clues. Like calling countries from Africa and else where shithole countries might be a clue. Or, saying that Mexican immigrants are the scum of Mexico that are mostly rapists and criminals. Or, that if he gets back into power he will have huge concentration camps and use them to ship out millions of immigrants per year. But then he marries an immigrant. Perhaps just some clues, maybe?

 

For the vast majority of high immigration skeptics, I doubt that it’s anything sinister. Cultures aren't entirely made up of pure Homo Economicus individuals. You seem to be aware of that. Social cohesion, the maintenance of common cultural reference points, and a loyalty to one’s place, demand a cautious approach to high levels of non-integrated and culturally alien individuals. It's all too easy to see this as racism when other explanations abound and provide sufficient justification for the skepticism, especially with high levels of non-endorsed (via a voting booth) immigration settlement. This reality calls for a less “in your face” immigration policy than the one that is promoted by western Liberals and their PC conservative partners in accelerated mass immigration settlement. Just as I strongly reject any white colonial-like policy in Africa, I am absolutely opposed to forced settlement of any European country and its culture. I like a certain limited form of diversity—mingling with people from multiple cultures in the city. At the same time, I believe that host cultures must be protected from erosion. Even if that erosion process takes a few generations and isn’t an immediate threat to a culture, it warrants attention, even for the sake of future generations. Many prominent cultures have disintegrated over the centuries. Diversity can also move from a strength to a liability. A democratic government needs to give some attention to the voice of the majority in a referendum on immigration. In surveys, majorities in many European nations frequently show their opposition to high levels of immigration. That should matter.

 

For people who live in relatively mono cultured areas it's always been a cultural thing, it is them vs us. It's a mentality issue.
It goes back to segregation and, people who say how great it was until such and such arrived, or we never go to such and such neighborhood as it filled with crime and violence.
Furthermore, it has religious as well as cultural boundaries that people set around them.
Cultures are different, and some see a clear threat to their way of living. I'm not necessary focusing on the race, but it's also part of the equation.
The issue is happening all over Europe as well. It's not anti-immigration because for example in Poland of today they in general have no issue with Ukrainian workers, migrants, refugees. The Ukrainians blend well in to the society. Not the same for migrants and refugees from the Middle East.

"Sweden had opened itself to the desperate people fleeing Middle Eastern wars and tyranny not because, like Germany, it had a terrible sin to expiate but rather out of a sense of universal moral obligation.
Sweden has gone from having one of the lowest to one of the highest levels of gun violence in Europe—worse than Italy or eastern Europe. “The increase in gun homicide in Sweden is closely linked to criminal milieux in socially disadvantaged areas,” the report said. Gangs—whose members are second-generation immigrants, many from Somalia, Eritrea, Morocco, and elsewhere in North Africa—specialize in drug trafficking and the use of explosives. Crime has become the number one issue in Sweden;"

So not to mention the suffering of residents of border towns, the issue is cultural, social economic, and requires proper absorption of immigrants.
Poverty elevation is the key among education and other proper planning and budgeting. A country should create a department of Migration Absorption.

 

Yes, definitely. But he married TWO immigrants, Bill.

His first wife, Ivana, was born in Czechoslovakia, lived in Canada and came to the US in the 1970s.
His third wife, Melania, was born in Yugoslavia, in what is now Slovenia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivana_Trump
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melania_Trump