Migration policies are failing, migrants are strugling - ‘broken’ national immigration system

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  1. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    When one goes to Walmart.
     
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    BOSTON (Reuters) - A Chinese music student was sentenced on Wednesday to nine months in a U.S. prison for harassing an activist who posted fliers at the Berklee College of Music in Boston supporting democracy in China and threatening to report her activities to Chinese law enforcement.

    Prosecutors had urged U.S. District Judge Denise Casper in Boston to sentence Xiaolei Wu, 26, to nearly three years in prison to send a message that the United States would not tolerate China's attempts to silence people of Chinese descent who express views at odds with the government.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-student-gets-us-prison-184358153.html

    Chinese are spying on Chinese in US and not only.
     
  3. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

  4. tadj

    tadj Active Member

  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    It's an interesting article but I question a seeming implication in the article that there is a large group of people in the USA that really believe in open borders. I really doubt that is true despite Trump's false assertions to the contrary?
     
  6. tadj

    tadj Active Member

    Yeah, you're right. I don't think that you're going to find a lot of proponents of this explicit view among the general population. You may find more support in academia, although I have not looked at research studies confirming whether this is the case. But some of the objections to open borders may also work against the "high levels of immigration" position.
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    You mentioned Academics, but what about politicians and activists?
    We know both parties implemented border security, so the divisions are within the party.
    The reality, however, is much more complicated, perhaps best characterized by divisions between Democrats on how to approach immigration, and their lack of a clear policy.
    And President Biden administration is handling the immigration in more humane approach. More Children were let in than predecessor.
    Yet I admit, the accusations of open borders hold little weight.
    It appears to me that President Biden administration has so far admitted the low number of refugees if compared historically, partly due to 2020 to 2022 COVID pandemic.
    The #s increased significantly in 2023 based on some statistics I have seen, if my memory serves me well.
    While seen in recent years as the party that is more welcoming to immigrants, prominent Democrats have advocated for border security and have spoken out against “illegal” immigration.
    I criticized Democrats but looking back and want to be fair. I think this administration emphasize a humane approach and I strongly support it.
    The victims are border states who seem to found a way to highlight their issues and have other non-border states share in the issues.
    Saying that, I strongly suggest that security increased due to hostile to democracy forces willing to come here and also not to allow such forces to come here, refugee crisis has been a decidedly mixed effort.

    Republicans have a different view then mine on the subject:

    https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/555693-americas-open-border-policy/
     
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  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    If you asked a hundred Americans to define "open borders" I wonder how close to a hundred different answers you'd get.
     
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  9. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    My practical definition of open borders is the Schengen Area.
     
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Doubtless, Mr. Wu has relatives back in China and the CCP knows ALL their names. If their pawn doesn't perform up to snuff, those people will suffer. Starvation? Disappearance? So -- Mr. Wu does his job....
     
  11. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I'd like to see a Schengen style agreement between Canada and the U.S.

    Not likely though.
     
  12. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    There is no shortage of people who think that anyone should be able to come to the US at any time for any reason, never have to leave and never be held responsible for breaking the law to get here. Also, ICE should be abolished, there should be no physical barrier preventing entry, and undocumented immigrants should be entitled to welfare, free public education and even to vote in elections. Even the slightest objection that notion is classified as xenophobia. If that's not open borders, then what the heck could open borders possibly mean?
     
  13. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I don't know of anybody that has ever expressed that view.
     
  14. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I suppose some people may think that's part of it, but to me this is entirely orthogonal to the concept of open borders. For centuries, the policy of the US and the colonies before it was "Come here if you want, but once you get here success is up to you."
     
  15. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    I think only a very small set of near-Utopian libertarian or far-left ideologues would agree with the "anyone… for any reason" clauses. I think that pushes this proposition into hyperbole.

    A border patrol should exist. Customs and immigration law enforcement activities generally should occur.

    Does inland immigration enforcement need its own agency? The fact that we don't have a Kidnapping Police or an Organized Crime Police doesn't mean we've legalized or are even soft on kidnapping or organized crime.

    Does maintaining an inland immigration enforcement agency create undesirable incentives to allocate law enforcement resources to relatively benign improper entry and overstay offenses at the expense of more important priorities? Seems likely to me that it does.

    Most of this debate is about extent and specifics rather than black or white. Few opponents of a Trump-style wall support closing down border control stations and border patrol activities.

    Most free public education and a lot of welfare pertains to immediate needs of children, who rarely became undocumented immigrants out of their own free choice.
     
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  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Department for Immigration Absorption. (All immigrants, professionals, refugees, elderly etc.)
    In coordination with, Federal, State, and local authorities and the other departments, will be responsible for helping immigrants find employment and accommodation, provide advice on education, planning and social issues, as well as setting up the "immigrant basket" of benefits (such as tax breaks, grants, loans etc.) to help absorb immigrants in to US society.
    For example - Partner with businesses and professional bodies to offer:
    Counseling in business planning and financial feasibility.
    · Information on the business world in Israel and abroad.
    · Preparation of a business plan.
    · Business mentoring of existing businesses.
    · Courses and training in business management.
    · Loans from the fund for the independent immigrant and other funding sources.
    Everyone who has, immigrant visa, or refugee papers, green card will be able to get assistance from this department.
    Eligibility will stop upon attainment of US Citizenship.
     
  17. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden New Member

    Wtf is Department for Immigration Absorption? We still talking about the US here?
     
  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I'll guess that is the department in Abbott's administration whose job it is to bus immigrants to blue cities in the North? :)
     
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  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    It's a suggestion to create such department.
     
  20. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden New Member

    Aah, that makes more sense. Some states like California basically have programs like that, and they are very successful. I would be amazed if the US set up such a program.
     

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