Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Garp, Jul 4, 2020.
Nope - not at all. But SAM is ...watch out for him!
Seriously? No, he's not a "self-inflated unethical clown" because he earned a degree you don't like, rather than do things the way you prefer that costs 200 times as much. Nor is the company "unethical" because its managers reward employees for the acquisition of skills without regard to who paid the most to get them.
Doesn't matter whether I like the degree or not - or if I think the guy's a self-inflating clown. it DOES matter to Sam, though. The question is - did the guy get the job with a degree that meets US standards - and I don't think this degree-with-explanations does. Until we hear different from a recognized evaluator - I'll stick to that, despite Holy Reproof from the Temple, or whatever it was I just got. Basically for words I put in (fictional) Sam's mouth.
The problem here is extremes. A substandard (and this degree-with-explanations might just be one) degree can cost way more than $249. A masters may cost 50K - or more, but the bulk of them don't. You've used extremes where equal quality just isn't possible. Now if Sam's co-worker gained his position with a Nicaraguan Doctorate that cost $6,500 and got a good equivalency here (and such degrees exist) Sam might feel chagrined - only because he'd failed to discover that opportunity.
Whatever. I'm tired of arguing about extremes. I've spent $249 worth of time arguing about this degree - and I don't even want the danged thing! Johann out.
I don't think we've determined whether the degree is substandard or not, only that it's at least legitimate, although with some usage limitations, and most likely not educatively terrible.
At its full price, it would be a questionable endeavor. At $250, it's hard for me to hate too much on it.
Agreed on all points. Substandard, to me, means it doesn't get a reasonable US equivalency from a recognized evaluator. We don't really know. Ergo we don't know if it's substandard by my definition or not. But it might be....
Practice, then. It won't be so hard after a while. If I can do it, YOU can!
And what you said about legitimacy, limitations and not terrible - all true. I'll let Sam know. He's in a holding cell, right now.
I didn't say, nor did I imply, that it was the "gold standard." But in the US, it is THE standard, and I'll pay attention to these things when they meet that standard, because I live in the US (as do a vast majority of those posting here).
Part of the allure of purchasing a degree from a diploma mill is the effort to fool others into thinking you actually have a degree. Just sayin'....
I agree with your statement, Rich. But this has been a circular argument for the last eight revolutions or so. "You said..." "I didn't..." The degrees don't need explanations..." "Yes they do..." "explanations are no problem..." "Yes they are...always" "The degrees are perfectly good for US use...," "We don't know that" -- it can go on forever. People are arguing for sport. "Johann sometimes does not play well with others," said my school report back in England. So I'll leave this one before I make any more enemies. I've made my quota long ago.
You might consider doing the same, Rich. You're a man who likes learning - there's precious little of it in this thread.
Noli contendere propter argumentum. Don't argue for argument's sake. My shabby Latin, not the work of Horace or Virgil, an' them, who knew how better than I ever will.
And Nosborne - if you're reading - I didn't use "arguendo" - I let lawyers do that. As you no doubt know, (and others might not) that's "for the sake of argument" for use in court. I'm not so qualified. Pongamos por caso que ...
Ehhhn. What an evaluator opines is one respected viewpoint, but THE standard? I have to disagree simply because of how results can vary between evaluators, and because schools and employers are free to make their own decisions regardless of what any evaluator thinks. If no decisions could ever be made without the results of a foreign degree evaluation then I'd have to agree, but that's just not the case.
If you believe this school is a diploma mill*, then there is little or reason to care if it meets the standards of one of the NACES evaluators or not. However, over the years having seen people trash unaccredited or NA schools only to become fans of them once they reached regional accreditation, I've become used to seeing that sort of thing take place.
*You may likely say you didn't say that or mean it in that way, but putting it there sure gives that impression.
Johann, is this true? Abner has passed?
Sheesh. The "arguing for the sport" thing has become a go-to whenever people aren't being agreed with. But, this thread is no different from thousands of others here, and honestly people's behavior in this one is actually a lot better than in many others.
Some people have a strong motivation to trash this program. Others have a strong desire to at least give it a chance and see what happens which quite frankly is more fair and sensible since no one is 100% sure how it will all turn out. If we were, foreign evaluations wouldn't keep coming up since the answer would already be known.
I've observed over some time now that no matter what you say, even when you make a point as good as anyone else's, or when you're just plain right about something, Rich never acknowledges that in any way, yet he does with others. It may or may not be important to you, but I find that somewhat interesting and pretty bizarre and just wanted to point it out to you.
LOL! I'll live.
Yes - there was a thread about it. Abner died suddenly - late summer of 2019, and his wife, Kim, lost her hard-fought battle with cancer about two weeks later, as I remember. Here's the thread. https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?threads/abner-kim-reported-to-have-died.56236/#post-529275
I miss him. We had some interesting discussions on here - he was a bright guy with a wide variety of interests - genuine and warm. It's extremely sad that he left us so soon.
Interesting observation, especially since I had to go back and look at who you were referring to. I still make absolutely no distinction between that poster and any others, including you. I pay particular attention to only a few posters; the rest are a blur. I sincerely suggest chalking it up to coincidence--and that you're paying far more attention to it than I ever will.
Welp, the first (but not final) verdict is in. It's not bad, it's actually good, buuuuuuut...
Credit to Dee12
Heh, that's interesting. Reminds me of when the Heriot-Watt MBA was evaluated as an Associate degree.
Thanks for posting that Max!
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