Marijuana Legalization

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Kizmet, Oct 31, 2016.

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  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I'm not talking about the second world war, I'm talking about all the "police actions" that have happened in the last, say, seventy years.
     
  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Those are almost all outside what I mean by "good" wars. Most fail at least one of my 2 criteria and it's not a win when you have to declare victory and walk away, either. Yes, they can be viewed as lost/wasted money, I suppose. Viewing them as what they are - lost lives - is a more sobering experience.

    I think many political leaders of nations (including U.S.) have been "just busting" for a "good" war - a "justifiable" war they can win - from the moment of their election. Winning a "just" war cements their hold - even if they have never spent a single day of their own lives in military service. Very unfair. Sad.

    J.
     
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  3. Kizmet

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  4. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

  5. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    It reminds me of the "milk bars" in Clockwork Orange.
     
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    Johann Well-Known Member

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  9. Abner

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  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    The book was so good, - and so cleverly written with the Russian-laced English - that I was afraid the movie might spoil the vibe for me. Never saw it.

    J.
     
  11. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    You never saw it! It's a good movie, watch it sometime!
     
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  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Re: A Clockwork Orange:

    The book came out in 1962. I read it a couple of years later. Unforgettable. Couldn't put it down - maybe it was partly because I was around 21 at the time and I kind of knew how Alex felt. The movie didn't come out until 1971 and I never saw it. Movies have ruined a lot of really good books for me, e.g. "A Beautiful Mind," the story of mathematician John Nash. I prefer not to let movies ruin things for me, nowadays. I haven't been in a movie theatre for WELL over 20 years and don't have NETFLIX (or even cable) -even though I could easily afford such things if I wanted them. I prefer to buy books.

    J.
     
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  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    The book came out in 1962. I read it a couple of years later. The movie didn't come out until 1971. Movies have ruined a lot of really good books for me, e.g. "A Beautiful Mind," the story of mathematician John Nash. I prefer not to let movies ruin things for me, nowadays. I haven't been in a movie theatre for WELL over 20 years and don't have NETFLIX (or even cable).

    J.
     
  16. Kizmet

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  17. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    The Nov 2016 California state initiative that legalized recreational marijuana calls for legal retail sales starting January 1, 2018. That date is rapidly approaching. Most of the state government in Sacramento seems to be moving at a snail's pace. Regulations almost certainly won't be ready by the deadline. But sales are due to start, regulations or not.

    The law the voters passed gives localities (cities and counties) the option of placing additional restrictions on marijuana businesses in addition to statewide regulations, or even the option of banning marijuana businesses outright.

    Here in the San Francisco Bay Area, localities have been rushing madly to ban marijuana businesses. Despite that fact that the legalization initiative won easily around here (even I voted for it), there's a tremendous amount of 'NIMBY-ism', especially in the more upscale communities. They fear that 'dispensaries' will attract low-lifes like flies. Nobody wants that right after they paid $1.5 million for a small suburban tract house.

    But then there's Berkeley. (There's always Berkeley...) Berkeley sees an opportunity to become the center of Northern California's marijuana industry, attracting business from all over this half of the state. So they say sure, the more dispensaries that want to open there, the better. (The businesses will be taxed within an inch of their lives of course.)

    So that seems to be how things are shaping up around here. I can imagine the TV advertising jingle - 'Buy your buds in Berkeley'.

    Other places that look to be headed towards legalizing 'dispensaries' are San Diego (!!!) and Abner's own Santa Ana.

    Berkeley among first cities ready to sell legal cannabis in California Jan. 1
     
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  18. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    If they make no bones about selling it for recreational purposes (versus medicinal), then they're going to attract the attention of the Federal government like moths to a flame.

    You can't collect and pay taxes on an illegal product (as marijuana still is under the United States Code), so if these entrepreneurs think they're going to fly under the radar of the Internal Revenue Service and the Drug Enforcement Administration, I think they're in for the most shocking surprises of their lives. There's no better way to piss of the Feds than to not pay taxes.
     
  19. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    Long ago I read that you're supposed to report to the IRS any gains on illegal gambling. Losses not deductible.
     
  20. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    Retail marijuana businesses have been legal and operating openly in Colorado since January 2014. There haven't been any mass arrests yet.

    Nevada has just opened retail marijuana 'dispensaries' and no mass arrests there either.

    I don't expect mass arrests to ever happen. I expect these businesses have been and will continue to file their federal taxes just as other small businesses do.
     

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