Marijuana Legalization

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  1. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

  2. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

  3. Kizmet

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    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

  5. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

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  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    The Ontario Government has released its plans for legalization of pot, concurrent with next year's July 1 Federal proclamation of legality.

    It starts out fine. Marijuana will be sold to people 19 or older through 150 Provincial Government-run stores throughout the province. They will be run by the LCBO - the Provincial Government's liquor monopoly. It will also be sold online. Sorry, folks - Canadian addresses only, though I suppose someone outside Canada could rent a postbox or delivery-drop here... :smile:

    So far, so good. The kicker: the new stores won't be profitable for quite a while. Set-up cost etc. comes out of tax revenue. So, a guy like me who hasn't smoked a joint in 30-40 years will be paying tax so there can be marijuana stores. No details on price or taxes; they're still working on those.

    Right now, there are established storefront "dispensaries" selling "medical" marijuana in larger cities. Well, I suppose at least SOME of their customers have medical need or permission... Those stores are said to be operating illegally and are the subject of police raids etc. They will remain illegal after the Government marijuana stores open. This looks like "no news" to me. I can see people not liking the government's stores or product (standardized -said by some to be weak) and calling their usual dealer. Bad news for the "dispensary" guys -and possibly for medical users - I don't know.

    I think the Federal rules will allow home-growing: up to four plants IIRC. If so, I can see that end of things becoming even more popular. Hydroponics etc. stores are enjoying a boom right now - people use "tomatoes" as a code word. :smile: All in all, it's good news for small-time local dealers and same-old same-old news for large-scale importers and grow-op proprietors. Typical - it takes a GOVERNMENT entity to lose money selling marijuana!

    J.
     
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  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That's not starting out fine, that's starting out the most stupid way possible. Who other than government is capable of losing money selling weed? :dunno:
     
  10. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    No one in government will be losing money.
     
  11. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Of course not, that's what taxpayers are for.
     
  12. softhofpk

    softhofpk New Member

    is it harmful.
     
  13. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    If you're referring to the effects of prohibition, yes, it is.
     
  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    What I meant, Steve was that the list of rules starts out fine - reasonable age restrictions, stores run by the existing liquor monopoly etc. It is never a "fine" thing when a government loses money - and taxpayers have to make up for it. I'm not stupid enough to consider this "fine," no matter how dumb I look!

    @decimon: Yessiree! The Ontario Government admits it is destined to make less than it spends on this new venture. That, I believe, is called losing money. By the Government of Ontario, of course. No single government employee will be on the hook, no matter how much I'd enjoy that! Of course, those losses are subsidized by taxpayers - but it is actually managing to lose money selling marijuana - and that's unique, I think, to the Ontario Government. Colorado left the sale to the private sector and just regulates the trade and collects taxes.

    It is what it is. The current government has "done it" to us over and over and will continue "doing it" to us until the 2018 Provincial Election, when it will likely be another party's turn to collectively "do it" to 13 million Ontarians. To quote Drew Carey, "I'm the System's bitch!"

    J.
     
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  15. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    That crosses the line from acceptance to promotion.
     
  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Indeed it does. They think they're giving the people what they want -- I think they've been smoking 'way too much of that stuff! We'll see on election day in 2018!
    Incidentally, remember I said the existing "dispensaries" would still be illegal and subject to shutdown? I heard yesterday, that the newest government idea is to retrain former "dispensary" workers to be employed in the new Government marijuana outlets. The Union likes the idea.

    Strange times -- it's like employing ex-bootleggers in the liquor stores...

    J.
     
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  17. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That's an interesting argument. Is that then also true for anything that taxpayers lose money on, like warfare?
     
  18. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    'Warfare' is a loaded and vague term. Have you anything specific in mind?
     
  19. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    If your response is "which war?" it kind of proves my point, because none of them are defensive.
     
  20. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    If it's a "good" war and your side wins - then it's not seen as losing money. By "good war" I mean one where:

    (1) The majority of the nations you care about see you as the "good" guys
    (2) The majority of your people think you should be at war with the "bad" guys

    WW2 is the best example I can think of. It cost all participating nations a hell of a lot of money; people may have resented wartime privations, but they gave unstintingly. The real loss is lives, not money. Money can be replaced.

    J.
     
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