Kennedy-Western Equals Degree Mill

Re: Life Experience

 

Re: Life Experience

Hi RJT,

I see that you've put your shill/troll hat on again and blessed me with more of your lies. I have not seen anyone say that work experience cannot be taken advantage of in fully accredited schools. There are RA options where the school's whole purpose is taking advantage of work/life experience. The way it is done is through portfolio and/or examination for SPECIFIC courses. You also lied when you said that these options aren't available in RA colleges.

The way work/life experience is "evaluated" at KWU is the way that degree mills do it with general hand waving. KWU shaves off years worth of unspecified/nonspecific courses. Please point out a smidgen of "calibration" that KWU does. Please point out ANY documentation on how this process works at your degree mill.

RJT, please at least try to appear like you want to tell the truth.

 

Veteren 101

Try to keep those long-winded posts a little shorter the next time

 

Veteran101

I am in total agreement.

 

Ibid.

 

Yep.

 

Ah.

 

O!

 

Oh

Woops.
AOL? Don't ya just love'm?
Now I lost my train of thought from my previous message.
Previous message? Looks like there was no thought at all.

 

Twisting at the End of a Rope

Here's a KWU student that has paid his tuition and is now hanging out to dry.

He says,
"Does any one else have problems with tutorial assistance? I've requested help over 2 weeks ago and have had no help. I called earlier this week and they said (the usual dog and pony show) "I dont know what happened, that doesnt usually happen" and said that help will call in one ot two day, but still no help. whats going on?"

Here's the thread. I think the response indicates that this treatment is to be expected.

http://vsu.kw.edu/ubb/Forum5/HTML/001152.html

Perhaps he'll eventually learn what's going on if he ever graduates and then tries to use his degree. This degree mill puts together a few classes. Charges students an arm and a leg. Then smiles all the way to the bank as they leave their students twisting at the end of a rope as they try to complete classes with probably insufficient background classes and obviously insufficient tutorial help. I'm not in the least bit surprised that only 17% of the victims graduate. (The 17% was mentioned earlier in this thread.)

 

Wyoming is a joke

It seems to me that Wyoming is what Louisiana and Hawaii were a few years ago

 

Re: Wyoming is a joke

I wouldn't say that, the climats a lot nicer, many fewer insects (the crawly kind) and (form Louisiana) a lot better set of neighbors.

 

Re: Wyoming is a joke

Yes Wyoming doesn't have the laws that are needed to prevent these degree mills from setting up shop in their state. I'm sure that sooner or later they will pass the needed laws that most of the other states have already passed. Look at how quickly both Texas and Florida were able to close down MIGS.

 

My Experiences

Can't speak for all but my advisor, a full-time RA professor, has been responsive, and always returns my calls. Also my Student Advisor and Final Paper Advisor always returned calls within 24 hours. This is amazing when you consider that K-W has approxamately 37,000 students. The size of the student body also means that K-W is a major contendor in the world of higher-ed. And yes they are fully state liscenced and have full degree granting authority, as designated by the US DOE declaring that states are the determinant.

Soon to be K-W Alum, one amongst the thousands of K-W grads that will make a difference in the world of business.

 

In the pre-internet era, what we'd be having is a public debate on the topic: "Given that a degree from K-WU is really swell."

On the affirmative, we have an anonymous defender, debating from behind a screen, declining to reveal his name, location, or occupation.

On the negative, a whole bunch of people with real names (Huffman, Grover, Douglas, Jackson, Ruhl, etc.) and histories.

 

Bill Gover: "Wait..... I've an idea! Why stop here???..... posthumous degrees for death experience!!!! What a money maker! That would REALLY be distance ed!"

John: As I have mentioned from time to time, the fake school that I put in Bears' Guide each edition to help protect the copyright was, one year, Karma University, which offered past-life hypnotic regression, and then awarded full credit for all past-life experiences.

The scary thing was how many readers took it seriously.

 

Minor correction, RJT claims to work in human resources as a recruiter for a Fortune 500 company. He/She also claims that his/her Fortune 500 company has evaluated the Program(s?) at KWU has has found them to be most wonderful. I also note that RJT refuses to name this company.

New subject:
There seems to be much hay being made over at the KWU forum about companies that reimburse tuition and this somehow proves that these companies approve of KWU. I thought I would tell a little story about the company that I work for. You see the tuition reimbursement program is separate from the hiring program. I'm sure this is true at most large companies. Usually tuition has been reimbursed based primarily on the immediate manager's signiture. There are multiple examples where the company paid for most of the tuition for an employee and when that employee graduated and tried to transfer into a programming position was told flat out that they would never be hired at the company as a programmer with a degree from <insert lower tier RA college here>. Another person managed to transfer as a tech into an R&D group but they were laid off in the next lay off. I agree that it was stupid of the company but that's sometimes how big companies work.

 

Re: Twisting at the End of a Rope

Interesting observation you make Bill. I don't think yor statement of expected treatment is quite accurate. However before you jump to your conclusion and use flame bait terminology such as victums, let's look at the process a bit deeper. I realize you do not have a catalog since you are a California resident and no one seems interesting in paying the postage to mail you one. However, if you did have a catalog, you would see a picture of a young lady by the name of Carmelita in the Student Services Section. Her title is Student Services Processor. This position is quite different that Student Advisor. Carmelita's job is to take the tutorial requests and contact who ever is running the course with the information. She does a followup to let the student know that they should be contacted by a specific person to answer their questions. At this point, it is up to the adjunct proff to make the necessary contacts. So at this point the KW Administration is out of the picture. I see these posts from time to time, and what I observe is a combination of things..... 1. Student gets upset with their advisor who had nothing to do with the request 2. Prof is delayed in responding to request and may ask for follow up info to clarify the request. Questions such as I don't understand Dynamics is really hard to get your arms around. From my experiece I had one major problem with the system... My phone call came after I had already taken the final exam. The prof apologized for not getting back to me sooner since he had moved and notifying KW of his new address and phone number was at the bottom of his list. So if the student reads the material on their student page or reads the published information, they would see that the reply can take longer than 2 weeks. I certainly do not blame Carmelita for this delay nor do I believe that I have been left twisting at the end of some rope while someone is laughing all the way to the bank. Since all we seem to have in this student posting is venting with no specifics, I am hard pressed to understand your conclusions

Let's take a look at that 17% from an economic perspective. If KW were the Degree Mill you believe them to be, then I assume that the operators really want to laugh all the way to the bank and maximize the profits. Only 17% of the students are availalbe for fleecing with fees for binding, copyrighting, and graduation. This would represent gross inefficiences in the process. These fees can go up to $450 per student. Just establishing a policy to graduate everybody would rake in millions and have a really nice side benifit.... no unhappy customers! So why your surprise at the low rate??

So perhaps the student may also eventually learn that there is some value in his education... who know, I sure don't but you seem to.

Regards,

Dick

For Dr. Bear's, and etal benifit, I am a real person using my real name and my real email address and I have a real history.

 

The 17% figure is K-WU's. It cannot be taken too seriously. Many degree mills and/or unaccredited schools tout how difficult it is for people to gain admission, then admit everyone. This is to give the appearance of academic rigor. Why would this practice not also apply to graduation rates?

Given K-WU's "hand 'em out" process, I find it difficult to believe only 17% graduate. That's a lotta really unhappy customers; no way to run a business.