Jd Degree

Re: Is the California Bar REALLY harder?

Since Jonnie Cochrane's passing, there is an opening in CA for a bombastic, apologist lawyer for guilty-as-sin celebrities.

 

The PERFECT niche for little fauss!

 

Re: I simply want to close down alot of bad law schools

I believe a wise man once said, "He who is not big enough to accept criticism is too small to be praised."

 

Re: Question for Dude

I'm still working on it, probably won't be finished until 2008. It was much more difficult than I initially imagined, but I am sure this is why it is so well respected.

The fact that I have recently decided to test for my PE license only helps to complicate this process, as this is a big undertaking in itself.

 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: some people will never get the message

I think that this is a legitimate concern. I would only counter with the reminder that just because something is more likely to happen doesn't always mean that it will be the end result. Some of these one man operations may cave to pressure, while I am sure others will stand rock solid on principles of excellence in education. Maybe tighter control over smaller operations is a good idea?

This is probably not a bad idea. I belive this would probably be a positive thing even in the case of ABA graduates. The practice of law (in the United States) seems to be unique from most other professions in the fact that no internship period is necessary prior to licensure. Do you believe that the profession would be improved, as a whole, by such a universal requirement?

 

I'm bombastic, I'm an apologist (but not for celebrities), but I could never ever fill that guy's shoes. When I say "If the glove don't fit, you must acquit", it just doesn't have that same Cochrane verve.

 

JDLLM2 Exposed???

I realize that this controversy has died down quite a bit, but I chose to do a quick internet search and see if I could figure out what JDLLM2's real qualifications were.

I found some eerily similar comments from another law related chatboard.

"Re: Re:WEST COAST LAW SCHOOL
Posted by Don on 4/28/05

I have a Juris Doctorate from Northwestern California University
and a Master of Laws (LL.M) degree from an ABA accredited law
school, St. Thomas University School of Law in Miami Florida.

It would be foolish for anyone thinking of a serious career in
law to "graduate" from a law school that is a one-man operation in someone's
spare bedroom. GET REAL!"

http://counsel.net/chatboards/lawstudents/topic1397/4.28.05.16.01.05.html

I couldn't help but to recognize that the quote, "law school that is a one-man operation in someone's spare bedroom" looked almost identical to that which was posted yesterday. Coincidence? Maybe. Only JDLLM2 can tell us that.

To further support my hunch; I notice that this poster has been recently active on this chatboard encouraging passage of the same California bill advocated by JDLLM2.

If this is what JDLLM2's real qualifications are, then he certainly would have nothing of which to be ashamed.

 

Re: JDLLM2 Exposed???

Quite true, no shame in such qualifications, but he'd also have few grounds for strutting about like a peacock and telling all us "ignoramuses" off, either.

And wouldn't that be exactly the qualifications that the other poster hypothized back on pg 2?

 

Beyond reasonable doubt?

Another quote by the same person:

"Re: Northwestern California University School of Law Nancy
Posted by Don on 6/06/06

"""2. Most students completed correspondence NON Bar JD currently holding a full
time jobs"""

AND SO WHY WOULD THEY NEED A NON-BAR J.D. DEGREE?

Non-Bar J.D. degrees are useless, a Juris Doctor is a Professional degree
for practicing law not for walking around acting like a lawyer or a doctorate
degree.

They dont have non-physician M.D. degrees and non dentist D.D.S degrees.

If you have a non-bar J.D. degree your not a lawyer, the degree is useless
and since unaccredited not useful anywhere unless your admitted to the bar.

In fact,correspondence J.D. degrees are illegal in Oregon and cant be used in
Texas for bar admittance ever!"

http://counsel.net/chatboards/lawstudents/topic1559/6.06.06.12.07.13.html

Does this arguement look familiar, or even IDENTICAL to JDLLM2's? Even the grammer is the same. Notice the use of "your" instead of "you're" or "you are"

I'm convinced and rest my case. How long is the jury to deliberate?

 

Re: Re: JDLLM2 Exposed???

You're absolutely right, and although you and Nosborne have too (notice not "to") much class, I would argue that you both would be within your rights to put him in his place after that display of attitude.

Who's gonna break the news to JDLLM2 that, although a very respectable correspondence school, NWCU is NOT accredited and has NOT been around for eighty years?

 

Re: JDLLM2 Exposed???

If this Don was in fact JDLLM2, my speculation earlier was right on.

 

Maybe. There does seem to be some evidence.

But I don't get why JDLLM2 would think I'd criticise his legal education. I've been a NCWULaw booster on this forum for YEARS. I have also strongly supported the CalBar accreditation system to the point where I predict that CalBar schools have a great future in training public sector lawyers for jobs with public sector salaries.

Oh, well, maybe things didn't work out for him. That happens; lots of lawyers get into the profession and discover either that they HATE it or that, for some reason, no one will hire them. (Actually, I think that the two things are connected somehow.)

 

I can vouch for you on that, I've never heard you say anything nasty about NWCU, and in fact have read your posts recommending them for an attorney seeking a JSD. If I remember correctly, last year I looked into the program after I read your mention of them, possibly even following your hyperlink.

But this takes a few minutes of research to discover, or spending a few months on the forum to get a feel for our individual styles and beliefs. He didn't seem too inclined to do that. He was brand new, but he just assigned attributes to us--all of them negative--and behaved accordingly.

Maybe he's bearing a general grudge against the world, maybe for the reasons you expressed in your post, Nosborne. Maybe because of it he forum hops, just keeps flaming out and moving on. I don't know. Again, I hope he gets over it, wish him well. Even if he's underemployed (and if he is, he can join my underemployed legal club) it's not like he's accomplished nothing.

 

Another explanation?

say, little fauss, you don't suppose he took a non Bar J.D. himself, do you? Or maybe he hasn't been able to pass the Bar?

That would sour anyone.

 

Re: Another explanation?

Again, no offense here...
I still stand by my earlier speculation as follow.
He took a Non Bar J.D. and LL.M. from an ABA law school.
That's how he got away with the Baby Bar.



No offense here... This is just my speculation.

1. Non Bar J.D. from Saratoga University or NCU
2. LL.M. from St. Thomas University
3. Still trying to pass the Bar

 

Re: Re: Question for Dude

It was much more difficult than I imagined, too. Towards the end I was working like a maniac and figured that it was interesting but for a degree that would not let me practice law in Canada (although I hasten to add at the time I enrolled becoming a lawyer was NOT my goal) there wasn't much point in pursuing it.

Now I'm thinking about completing the LLB, just not sure where and how yet.

Best of luck to you.

 

Hmm. Shows how much I know, I guess. I understand that obtaining an LL.M. from an ABA approved school will exempt the general applicant from the Baby Bar but I don't see how the remaining three years of non Bar study, since he didn't (I would guess) register as a law student when he commenced his studies, nor (again, I would guess) did he keep records showing that he studied 864 hours during each of four calendar years. He can't use the Bear Parlay because that rule applies to persons obtaining their legal educations outside the U.S.

Too bad he won't talk to us. I'd really like to know what happened and how CalBar treated him.

 

Well, perhaps he was on the bar track and did register as a law student. He then changed to the non bar program to avoid the Baby Bar. Again, it's just my speculation.

 

Re: Re: Another explanation?

My gut feeling on the matter was that he had been a student at Saratoga at the time it went under. This explained his dislike for one man operations.

 

I certainly wouldn't want to bet my life on it, but the fact that a person advocated, on the same day, two nearly identical arguements (the non-bar J.D. shouldn't be allowed because there are no non-physician MD degrees and no non-dentist DDS degrees) seems to be more than coincidence.