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Re: Re: some people will never get the message

Hey, I have no idea if he's a fraud, I was just wondering if he was billing the time he was on the phone and simultaneously posting on Degreeinfo!!

(Which I never do, but that's only sensible considering my inability to walk and chew gum at the same time).

 

Re: Re: some people will never get the message

Clearly something is not right with JDLLM2. Although I would hesitate to use the term "fraud," I am quite puzzled on how someone could be a graduate of an ABA LLM program and have this kind of writing skills (Even while talking on the phone and reading emails. )


The reason why I asked him about his credentials, was that I was curious about the reason why he was out on this quest to change the landscape of legal education in California. I figured that a brief outline of his background might help me understand his position. Obviously if someone is this reluctant to share this information there is great reason to doubt his claims.

There is definately a reason why he feels the way he does. Though one thing of which I am certain is that with this kind of writing, he is surely not a member of the California Bar.

 

I don't know, the guy just seemed to be over-the-top in keeping his cards hugged close to his chest re: his education while simultaneously trashing others' educations and intellect. Just seems fishy to me.

As for billing, I heard of one attorney for a firm who got in trouble when he billed more hours than exist in a month! Heard about it through the legal grapevine, don't know if it's a legal urban legend.

 

I'm not sure about the specifics on this. I briefly considered attending one of these schools a few years back, which is why I became aware of it. As a non-California resident I was not eligible for the coverage, so I didn't read much more about it. I'll check and see if I can find any more information about it.

 

I simply want to close down alot of bad law schools

Dude,

This is causal writing, how dare you criticize someone with an accredited J.D. and accredited LL.M degree when you want to go to a 1 man operation law school.

Shame on YOU!

 

Re: I simply want to close down alot of bad law schools

As far as your writing goes, I think most people will agree that even for casual situations your writing is horrible. A person as educated as you claim to be would probably not write like you do.

If you will go back and check, you will notice that I already chose NOT to attend any California correspondence law school, but rather enrolled in the internationally respected LLB program from the University of London.

I am intrigued by the idea of a one man law school at a very cheap price (for someone wanting to sit for the bar). As such, I have asked you WHY this is something that should be eliminated and the only answers I get back from you are that it "insults" you and degrades the legal profession. Maybe good answers and maybe not. I just don't see any harm in it, that's all.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that many states have laws which prohibit people who have obtained even ABA accredited law degrees from using J.D. after their names without being a member of the bar. If so, this should mitigate any damage done by such "graduates" of this kind of program who did not meet the standards of the state bar.

 

Re: Re: some people will never get the message

little fauss,

I was just wondering if you might be able to discuss your opinion on these one man shops. I don't necessarily think that they are the best option for most students. I just feel that if a person is able to learn the material well enough to pass the California bar exam (the most difficult bar exam in the country) what harm is done by allowing this as an option?

It would be nice to hear a professional response on the matter.

 

Re: Re: I simply want to close down alot of bad law schools

I certainly believe that something should be done about the one man law schools so what happened to Saratoga University will not happen again in the future. At the same time, I feel that the low cost legal education shouldn't be taken away from those who want to be attorneys but don't have the time or money to attend ABA or Cal Bar accredited law schools.

I attended Taft years ago. Honestly, I don't think the instructional methods are much different from the one man law schools. You buy the books, study the materials, and then take the exams. It all comes down to self-discipline.

 

This is causal writing, how dare you criticize someone with an accredited J.D. and accredited LL.M degree when you want to go to a 1 man operation law school.

OK I'll say it!

JDLLM2, who here REALLY knows where or what you went to school for, no one- Without verifying your claim to ABA J.D fame it is just that, your claim. (Which I think it is, sorry)

On a personal note, I get a negative vibe from your posts that I don't see here very often.

Thank god for that.

 

Dude:

<<Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that many states have laws which prohibit people who have obtained even ABA accredited law degrees from using J.D. after their names without being a member of the bar. If so, this should mitigate any damage done by such "graduates" of this kind of program who did not meet the standards of the state bar.>>


California does not have a law which prohibits someone from using their degree title after their name such as a J.D. if not admitted to the bar.

Any non bar J.D. person can use the degree title even if their J.D. degree was awarded to them but 1 person from a 1 person law school operated from their spare bedroom.

AND THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF MY POSTINGS!

 

stay on topic eliminate non bar J.D degrees

Lets see now I got challenged by someone who has an A.A. degree, someone who has no degree but defends getting a J.D. degree from a 1 man law school, and someone who is very, very concerned with what school I graduated from and someone
who is a CPA.

I dont react to bait, listing the law schools that I graduated from would only serve to fuel the attacks on me.

I went to a State Bar accredited law school and an ABA accredited law school.

THAT SAYS IT ALL.

J.D. LL.M2

 

little fauss and friends:

I hate like the very devil to say this, but I am entertaining doubts about JDLLM2's bona fides myself. Why? Two reasons:

1) I have never, EVER met a lawyer unwilling to say where he went to law school. Even lawyers with J.D.s from CalBar accredited schools are usually (and rightly) proud of their accomplishments.

2) I cannot IMAGINE a lawyer with an LL.M. from an ABA approved school refusing to name the school, especially in this sort of circumstance: There are many folks on this forum who would be very interested in the experiences of a CalBar J.D. earning an ABA LL.M. Heck, Dr. Bear actually devoted partof a chapter to this very thing.

Another, allied but more subjective reason is that JDLLM2 doesn't possess basic skills of advocacy. True, not all lawyers excel in rational argument but heck, even LITTLE FAUSS, (a SCALIA-ITE, by all that's holy!) is better that JDLLM2 at stating a case!

So please, JDLLM2, tell us which schools you attended. Believe me, I am NOT judgmental about this; if you went to a CalBar school I certainly won't say anything nasty. Run a search on me and you will see that!

 

What "says it all" is your attitude.

You really have no right to be smug given your circumstances and the fact that you have not yet shown your cards. I can see absolutely no reason why you would not see fit to post your qualifications for all to see. I've read your rationale on this, to paraphrase: it would somehow thwart your crusade to rid the world of non-Bar JDs or distract from the really important points you have to make. I'm really trying for the life of me to understand this logic. How will it damage that crusade? How will posting your qualifications anonymously on a distance learning forum do anything of the sort? Short answer: it will not. Actual reason: you are somewhat bashful about your own qualifications--or want thereof--and you know full well, given your condescending attitude expressed in this thread, that to post qualifications along the lines that were speculated on by sshuang several posts back would subject you to ridicule.

Look, there's nothing wrong with going to a Cal-only school for a JD, there's nothing wrong with capping it off with an LLM from a little-known albeit ABA school. I already talked about how I'd crossed swords with a very impressive attorney who'd gone Cal-only. I also have a good friend who went to a little-known ABA school in California--LaVerne--and he's brilliant, highly successful (though he was first in class). The most impressive two attorneys I've ever known went to little-known, lower-ranked schools: Michigan State/DCL and William Mitchell. They were awesome, it mattered not that I'd gone to a "top-tier" and they'd gone to the "crap" schools, they could litigate circles around me. And they did.

If you just come on less smug, there'll be less pressure on you and you won't have to maintain this absurd ultra-aggressive facade. Just get real.

 

Don't make me come down to Las Cruces, Norman!

 

<<Look, there's nothing wrong with going to a Cal-only school for a JD, there's nothing wrong with capping it off with an LLM from a little-known albeit ABA school>>

I love the fact that many of you continue to make my argument against posting where I graduated from law school.

Think about the comment, "an LLM from a little-known albeit ABA school"

Who said I graduated from a little-known ABA law school.

Its laughable these comments.

My initial focus and comments were on non bar J.D. degrees and J.D. degrees from 1 man operation law schools and now I am under attack from all sorts of people including a bozo attorney
who has been working on his LLM from a London University
longer then it appears it took me to get my undergraduate degree.

Nosborne, how long you been working on that silly degree?

Lets stop the attacks and work on changing the laws in California
for all of those of us that have accredited law degrees and eliminate those useless non bar and useless laser printed J.D. degrees from some guy in his spare bedroom/law school.

In fact since I am in California and not New Mexico and it appears that Nosborne is not as familiar with California law as I am or as familiar with California law schools as I am, I cant possibly see his relevancy to the issue of non bar J.D. degrees in California which I oppose.

No amount of baiting will get me to list my alma mater!

Its childish really, I didnt go to a 1 man law school I attended a law school that has been around for over 80 years, that is good enough for me.

 

In that case, you'll continue to have serious credibility problems.

 

I don't care where he went to school, all I want to know is if JDLLM2 made law review and won moot court.

 

Re: Re: Re: some people will never get the message

I can give you a response and I am technically a "professional", but that doesn't mean it will be a "professional response".

I can't imagine that the resources necessary to a rigorous law school education could be gathered together by a one man shop. But actually, I don't even know if one man shops exist in non-ABA law schools in Cal. Do they? Or was this just a red herring?

A person of reasonable intelligence, given enough bites at the apple and enough bar review courses, might be able to pass the bar w/o law school at all. And in any event, you learn more about being a lawyer in law school than just the tools to pass the bar--there's more to it than that.

But that's just my horseback opinion.

Comments?

 

JDLLM:

You're attacking Nosborne for his work in the London LLM program? Hey feller, you're attacking the wrong lawyer.

All you had to do was do a brief search on the topic using the function above and you'd have found your answer. He's been at it for 2 yrs. The least amount of time that one can possibly obtain the LLM at a distance under the program when he first entered was two years, and you have up to five years. No one would have expected him to obtain an LLM by now, especially since he's working full time in a supervisory position in the New Mexico state court system. It is also the most difficult distance legal degree to obtain in the world, being that it comes from such a prestigious school and DL students are held to the same standards as on campus.

Just do your research before firing away, then you won't look so ridiculous. But you seem intent on digging the hole deeper each time--perhaps under the misapprehension that bluff and bluster will extricate you? Please.

As for my presumptions, everything you do only confirms them in the minds of the readers. They are based not only on your desperate bravado, but upon common sense. You sneer at my suggestion that you likely obtained an LLM from a "little known" school? Can you please tell me how many non-ABA graduates are given the red carpet by well-known LLM programs in California? Do Stanford, Berkeley, UC-Davis, USC, UCLA fall all over themselves passing out coveted LLM positions to graduates of the Santa Barbara College of Law? Of course not. So my presumptions here are very logical, very educated guesses.

It won't be hard now for anyone to determine what school you attended, you've given us enough clues. Not that we care per se, it's just that when someone comes on with condescension as if they graduated from Harvard law and were the editor of Law Review, we tend to hold their feet to the fire and test them a little.

You have been measured, you have been weighed, and you have been found wanting.