Greenleaf University's ABD Program?

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by Dave Wagner, Nov 25, 2007.

  1. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Primarily cost and perhaps also convenience. Scholarship is a slippery component and probably has more to do with the specific doctoral advisor than the system or even the specific university. Prestige means virtually nothing to me so I don't think about it at all (although I know that's not true of everyone).
  2. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    Hi. I understand the cost issue but I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the convenience of .au or .za versus .uk doctoral options. Thanks.

  3. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Hi - My thoughts on this are quite straightforward.

    I know of no UK university that has ever agreed to a 100% distance learning doctoral program. It may have happened but I've never seen it documented.

    I know of at least one OZ university that has allowed a 100% non-residential doctoral program.

    I know that at least three ZA universities that will tell you up front that you will not be required to travel to campus.

    That's convenience (and money in the bank).
  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    The University of Leicester's Doctor of Social Science program can be done entirely by distance.

  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Thank you. But we (the CLMS of the University of Leicester) offer a 100% DL doctorate. I think EBS does, too. The Newcastle DBA, offered with Grenoble, is as well, IIRC. Plus, the amount of residency for research Ph.D.'s is entirely negotiable, and could result in a non-residential study plan. These, unlike taught degrees, are negotiated individually. Finally, many schools offer their Ph.D. and other degrees with very short periods of residency, like the U. of Glasgow's Ph.D. for Executives.

    I would think there are others, but these should tide anyone over for now.
  6. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    I'm glad Leicester has loosened up. That makes one for the list.
  7. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member


  8. jackrussell

    jackrussell Member

    I wonder how is Greenleaf University's RA attempts? Is it successfully or is it still trying? Just received an email from a PhD of Greenleaf University with a long long list of credentials. Just curious......
  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Guess not.. so far, anyway

    The school is still on the latest Michigan, Texas and Oregon "unaccredited" lists. Oregon also notes the school is "banned in Sweden." Fame and notoriety travel far, I guess. I think we can assume Greenleaf has not yet been successful in obtaining Regional Accreditation. (I'm sure if it were otherwise, Greenleaf would be quick to say so on its site. :) ) The school's site still says it "intends to pursue" RA, just as it did some years ago.

    So... not yet successful, or so it seems. Have they applied? Dunno. I believe that, unlike DETC, Regional Accreditors do not disclose applicants until they have reached candidacy status. This doesn't appear to have happened yet.

    I read elsewhere that the last "accreditor" Greenleaf had may have been WAUC, Dr. Maxine Asher's critter, unrecognized by CHEA. Any State license or registration Greenleaf may have is not accreditation of any kind.

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  10. Norbert

    Norbert New Member

    I once served on the Board of Directors for Greenleaf University. To answer the question about the ABD Program, when I was on the Board the ABD WAS NOT a Degree Program but an "Eligibility to entry." The ABD was essentially "All but Dissertation." This meant that you already had the requisite Semester Hours for Degree :phD completed at another College/University (regardless of the aging process on Credits attained), and you wanted to FINISH the Degree via submitting your "APPROVED" Dissertation for a professional review Board, and upon consensus of the Committee, you were recommended for the Degree: PhD. The Dissertation required Publication after approval was granted and then the Award of the Degree, PhD.

    When I reviewed some of the Petitioners prior education, I did not find other than Accredited Colleges/Universities Transcripts in their files and the minimum of 90 Graduate Level Courses was met prior to entry into the ABD Program.

    Essentially the ABD was crafted as a "Finishing Program." One could liken the program to an Equivalence of Competency with validation of the Dissertation. Such as a GED is to a High School Diploma.
  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Wow - another exhumation of ancient remains. Let it be a "finishing program" if you must, but PLEASE not a GED. Why? Because with Greenleaf, you're "finishing" at an unaccredited school. You have a fantasy Doctorate, no matter how much scholarship you put in previously - or where. Things haven't changed much. The present site dates, it says, from 2009. It looks oh, maybe 12-13 years older than that. Then and now, it says Greenleaf "will be pursuing" Middle States accreditation. C'mon. It's been 20 years ... WHEN?

    Some of the faculty have Greenleaf doctorates - one has a Pacific Western. Canada-Colorado branch, no less. Fits perfectly - unaccredited school, professors with degrees from it and other unaccreds.

    Wake me when they get Middle States accreditation. No, don't. I'll be long dead! And they won't have it anyway. No chance. Ever. Waste of bandwidth.
  12. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    The apparently are now saying that they are located in Melbourne Florida, not Missouri. I might not be using the Florida Commission for Independent Education's search function correctly, but I couldn't find Greenleaf University listed there. So it isn't entirely clear what their legal status is in FL.

    Posts from 2007 earlier in this thread were saying that Greenleaf was saying that it intended to apply for regional accreditation from the Middle States Association, an odd thing for a school in Missouri to say since MO wasn't Middle States turf.

    And today in 2020 13 years later, Greenleaf's FAQ page (last edited 4/25/03) says "Greenleaf University will be pursing accreditation with the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools." They certainly don't seem to be making very fast progress towards that goal. Maybe because they are 'Pursing' and not 'pursuing' accreditation.
  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Maybe in the move, the folks heading the 501(c) corporation forgot to tell Florida officials it was a school. Or maybe it isn't one, any more. I wonder how many people -if any-they've enrolled in the last few years?

    Well, at least they didn't say 'Cursing' accreditation. :) I think we're doing a necropsy, here.
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Greenleaf's website has a 2014 copyright on display. It's content reads even older. One faculty member is affiliated with "The Graduate School of America," a name Capella ditched about two decades ago.
  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Fusion des Programmes par: GREENLEAF UNIVERSITY, Melbourne, Florida 32940, USA ET UNIVERSITE FRANCO-AMERICAINE (UFA).
    This stuff is on YouTube and dates from 2018. Greenleaf and U. Franco-Americaine merging programs. Newsflash from Congo, I believe.

    There... let that be IT for another 10 years. Please....

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