What most people object to are outright mills. I pay money and I receive a paper in return. Almost everyone can agree that this is fraud. The reason one man's mill is another man's non-traditional education is that most people you talk to recognize that life experience, to some level, should count for something when it comes to a degree. If you have 20 years in law enforcement, yeah, that should probably count for at least a few credits in a relevant field. If you built up your own business or you teach insurance licensing courses for a living or you play some badass folk guitar, all credits. The thing with a mill is that they'll give it to you even if none of the above is true. Generally speaking, the average person on the street uses the word "accredited" to mean "legitimate." Poll random people on the street and they'll all probably swear that National Accreditation is better than Regional since, you know, nations are typically bigger than regions. Unless licensing or immigration is at play, the odds on an employer ever asking for a degree evaluation is slim. Do employers do it? Of course. Otherwise degree evaluators wouldn't have a business. However, people underestimate how many employers they are and how few of them actually want to go through that much effort. And, frankly, though we think it's the worst sin in the universe to employ someone with an unaccredited degree it generally doesn't matter one way or the other as long as the person does their job well. This Groupon deal is so cheap that it doesn't even register as tuition in my mind. We're talking about a program that manages to be cheaper than Nations. Like Nations, just do it, why not? Especially if you're not after a career where this credential is vital, the absolute worst case scenario is a few hundred bucks down the toilet. You could have spent that on Udemy or even Coursera without any special effort. Unaccredited does not equal "fake." And "not recognized by WES" doesn't mean fake, either. Sounds like the perfect price point for an experiment for those who have the time and inclination. The only way it will ever really create issues is if you go in for a job interview with an active participant of this forum and, even then, if its me I'm likely to just wave it through if you're otherwise qualified. I hate to say it, but I think people are generally sick of the convoluted accreditation scheme we have in the U.S. and the constant bickering over what is good enough that comes from for-profit fights and the like. We have a student debt crisis, we're in the midst of a pandemic and we are at a time when former politicians and academics who are not exactly fringe are telling us we're about to see a presidential coup this fall. It's just not really registering the same way it once did. This school is very unlikely to bring about the same surge that the classics like Columbia Pacific once did. And, you'll notice that even for all the attention CP once drew, John Gray still feels comfortable calling himself "Doctor." I love these discussions but I do feel like some here might be working themselves into a tizzy over some stuff that is only really a crisis on this forum. I think a lot of folks are enjoying this discussion for the wild ride it provides. But I get the sense that some are getting themselves worked up. So I just wanted to put this whole thing in perspective.