Fact Sheets President Trump’s Historic Coronavirus Response Healthcare

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  1. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    I think that would be a good thing to do. After all, there is a positive correlation between the damage a fire causes and the number of firefighters involved, so, we should get rid of them immediately.
     
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill , you came short of saying that the virus was developed by president Trump.
    I never said that Covid19 is caused by hospital administrators.
    Purposelessly twisting my words instead of addressing the issue like an adult.
     
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2020
  3. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Fair enough, let's review the facts. You stated.

    Rich asked who these evil people were and you answered.

    So Hospital administrators are the evil people that are hurting the economy just so President Trump is not reelected. These are your words, Lerner. It doesn't make sense. You can have another go at answering Rich's excellent question but the obvious answer to me is that Trump is simply lying and trying to blame others for his failures.

    Covid19 is a mess. The President didn't cause the pandemic but he hasn't done what the experts say should be done to fight it. There is no nationally coordinated program for testing , for contact tracing, for encouraging mask use and social distancing. There is no nationally mandated standards for how best to open schools, to open businesses, to keep people safe. The President has turned it into a political issue NOT Democrats. The President has made mask wearing a political issue. He has twitted that Democrat lead states must be freed. He holds huge rallies with no social distancing and little mask wearing and then makes fun of people wearing masks.

    Regarding your statement about the President being impeached because of a phone call, it is against the law for a President to solicit campaign help from foreign powers. He broke the law with his phone call. So, as long as one can break the law by saying things on a phone call then they can be impeached for making a phone call. There are lots of crimes that can be committed by phone. Making the phone call isn't the crime. What one says on the phone call can be a crime.
     
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2020
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Again you are deliberately twisting this around.
    You look at administrators, you look at politicians etc.

    I'm not talking red or blue. I'm talking about people not taking the threat if this pandemic seriously, taking advantage for political and monetary gains.
    That's all.
    While there is no evidence I still think its possible evil origins of this virus in some lab.
    Evidence at times can be well hidden and purposely covered.
     
  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

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    A nurse in a strained El Paso hospital says the sickest COVID-19 patients are put in a doctor-less room called 'the pit' where they are given 3 chances to be revived before workers let them die

    Travel nurse Lawanna Rivers recently recorded a Facebook Live video, where she described her experience treating COVID-19 patients at the University Medical Center of El Paso.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/nurse-strained-el-paso-hospital-135436368.html
     
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It's not entirely his fault. It's hard to keep all that b.s. properly sorted out when you don't have anything true to guide you.
     
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    That's very true and must not be forgotten.

    The main person that has not taken this pandemic seriously is Donald Trump. As I stated, The President hasn't done what the experts say should be done to fight it. There is no nationally coordinated program for testing , for contact tracing, for encouraging mask use and social distancing. There is no nationally mandated standards for how best to open schools, to open businesses, to keep people safe. The President has turned it into a political issue. The President has made mask wearing a political issue. He has twitted that Democrat lead states must be freed. He holds huge rallies with no social distancing and little mask wearing and then makes fun of people wearing masks. Donald Trump has not taken this pandemic seriously and I believe that is the primary reason he lost this election. His blaming others for his failings is his typical modus operandi.

    Regarding outlandish conspiracy theories being what Lerner was referring to when he said, "There were evil people who wanted to use the pandemic to hurt the economy so President Trump is not reelected." That was not how he responded at first. I guess he should be thanked though for essentially admitting though that there is no valid explanation for his statement about evil people, which he later tried to twist around to imply that he was referring to China creating the virus which would be evil but is another claim without merit.
     
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  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Not twisting, I think this is how it started, China (I still think it was lab work developed virus) then when it was here in US, some evil politicians took advantage and rode the wave, and on a local level hospitals made profits etc. So maybe you can see the logical chain.
    There are evil people involved. Some people of faith can see it as evil forces.
    To bad you can't see it.
    While some dismiss this and say conspiracy theories, the rug is being pulled under their feet.
    Once they realize it maybe to late.
     
  9. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    When your beliefs are not based on reality it is much more likely that rugs will be pulled out from under you. You are free to believe whatever nonsense you want but warning me that the rug might be pulled out from under my feet because I insist on believing in reality is a very strange argument.
     
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    At least the intentions are good.
    If it based on reality, time will show.
     
  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Why can't we all have N95 masks by this time? Such a simple thing would improve our coronavirus results tremendously.
     
  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I was asking and thinking about this for a long time now.
    Are all N95 masks going to hospitals and emergency workers? Why no one made
    strong push to increse the production and distribution of these masks?

    Some of my friends are making masks from HEPA filtered vacuum cleaner bags, these materials are filtering much better then the material of masks ones people buy over the counter. They filter all kind of pathogens. I don't know exactly if viruses can be filtered a swell.
    Our breath cant be compared to the strong flow of vacuum cleaner emissions.
    I found some old HEPA vacuum cleaner filters we no longer use and made some masks from it.

    Some studies support this

    Result of one such study of 17 different vacuum cleaners emissions
    show bacterial emission rates from cold and warm vacuums ranged from below the detection limit (8a) to a maximum of 7.40 × 105 (3b) bacterial cell equivalents min−1, with a mean of 1.21 × 105 and a median at 4.07 × 104. Mold emission rates showed more variability, ranging from below the detection limit for many bags (16 out of 30) to 6.50 × 106 (13b) mold cell equivalents min−1, with a mean value of 3.32 × 105 and a median value of 0. There was no correlation between bacterial and mold emission rates. There was no archaea detected in any air or dust samples.
    This work was supported by National Sciences and Engineering Council of Canada (Discovery grant).
    C.D. is a senior Fonds de la Recherche du Québec-Santé scholar and member of the FRQ-S Respiratory Health Network.

    Articles from Applied and Environmental Microbiology are provided here courtesy of American Society for Microbiology (ASM)
     
  13. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The current administration's stated philosophy is that these kind of things should be taken care of by normal capitalism supply and demand. Hopefully Biden will take care of this problem.

    Here's an article that makes it clear that Trump has completely bungled this issue.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/09/17/913093387/why-cant-america-make-enough-n95-masks-6-months-into-pandemic-shortages-persist#:~:text=6%20Months%20Into%20Pandemic%2C%20Shortages%20Persist%20There's%20just%20not%20enough,but%20it's%20a%20risky%20move.
     
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Ask the president. He's responsible for the national response.
     
  15. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Me neither. I thought they said it was invented in China.... :eek:
     
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

  18. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Breaking news: Trump is still a one-term, lame duck President. His "accomplishments" in fighting COVID-19 are factored into his electoral defeat. We can move on.
     
  19. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I'm done talking about Trump or the election. Both are history. Trump is a one-term president who got almost nothing done during that term, and did a lot to destroy our nation (and get a lot of people killed who simply did not have to die). The election is over; Biden won. The Electoral College ceremony will take place in state capitals all over the nation, that count will be certified by Congress, and he will be sworn in on January 20th.

    (Funny how easy it was for Republicans to accept Clinton's concession when she actually won the popular vote by millions and yet lost the EC vote and, thus, the presidency. Whereas Biden won the popular vote by an even larger margin and won the EC. She conceded the next day and Obama welcomed Trump to the White House the day after that. I'm proud to have Hillary Clinton as one of this nation's great leaders and a class act.)

    Trump is left with frivolous lawsuits that keep getting thrown out of court. It's trivial and I, for one, will leave him and his to it. Donald, you ARE the weakest link. Goodbye!
     
  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    in 2016 the Democrat Party began a process that was part of their political objective of overturning the presidential election, overturning the results of 2016.
    To do that, they had to convince people that the election was stolen, that it was fraudulent, that Donald Trump stole the election by working with Russians, and they spent four years pounding it into people’s heads.
     

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