Euclid University

My ambiguous point here is that the quoted viewpoint (i.e., foreign degrees live and die by credential evaluation) may end up disappointing those who hold such a viewpoint.

Whether anyone is troubled by placing that kind of gatekeeping power in the grip of a handful of businesses that belong to a particular association is a discussion for another day.

I've seen two. I've also spoken with several alumni who earned degrees in varied disciplines about their experience during and after. I did some rather tedious calculations (i.e., using AI) while suffering through the norovirus on the percentage of publicly known graduate alumni with conventionally accredited undergraduate degrees (it's high; 97%+ in my fairly sizeable sample), and the same kind of calculation for doctoral grads but with both undergrad and graduate profiles (higher). I took a long look at alumni vocations both nationally and not. Taking this sort of data into account (there are a few more things I found very interesting), I've concluded that Euclid is, in fact, a legitimate institution with an outstanding mission despite the vast amount of hasty criticism. IMO, a few maxims have been demonstrably broken, including the oft-used "If you have to ask, 'Is this institution legitimate...'" attributed to Levicoff. As it turns out, a sizeable grain of salt is needed for some of the expertise around here, especially when it runs on a perpetual bent.

Thanks Bill.

 

Direct it somewhere else. I'm not at all interested in engaging you.

 

Well, I do not claim Euclid is a mill. What I find concerning is the fact the news feed on its website seems to have stopped in December 2023. I always wondered if this entity has stability and does not over-rely on a few prolific contributors (like Father Laurent, who BTW recently moved to France) too much. Also, I would caution prospective students that Euclid's unconventional status might raise questions one might want to avoid in a credential. It's a virtual school ran by primarily non-Africans, accredited in two African countries. Not damning, but uncomfortably similar to the old Liberian accreditation-for-sale debacle.

On a pro-Euclid side: Fr. Cleenewerck, though a former micronation founder, actually shows a pattern of academic activity consistent with his claimed roles at the school. It doesn't look like he produced anything Earth-shattering, but FWIW his Google Scholar profile lists dozens of articles, beyond His Broken Body book. His h-Index is 9; people got tenured with less. Lately, most of his stuff is as a 2nd and 3rd author, which is exactly what you'd expect from a methodology advisor in a graduate school. This strongly suggests that some grad-level work is being done at Euclid; subject to doubts about how institutionally sustainable it might be.

 

You're absolutely right. Your comments have been the most thoughtful and evenhanded on this institution.

I've seen signs of life.

Indeed. However, that may be the case with any degree from a lesser known international school. Even my MA from Chester has been questioned, and at one point, I had to get an evaluation.

They have several campuses staffed primarily by Africans in African nations.

I've found a bunch of materials done by humanities students/alumni. Much of it quite scholarly, albeit out of my particular wheelhouse.

 

I hope you're right.

Sometimes it's just protocol. I'm still salty about the outrageous fee WES Canada extracted to simply e-mail a report they already had to my current employer. And my degree is from a second-biggest university in Ukraine.

They have about 300 active students worldwide. I think "several campuses" is overselling it.
On the other hand, there are credible schools smaller than that. At least the listed faculty is theoretically sufficient to support the programs.

I've found bunch of crypto and Islamic finance stuff. Not any different from what comes out of some accredited institutions.

 

This post reminds me of Johann again.
Okay, let me put my sentimentality aside for a while.

Congrats, Fr. Cleenewerck, for his new PhD degree in public health. It is really challenging for me to grasp what exact framework he has created in his dissertation (https://digitalcommons.sacredheart.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1007&context=healthinfo_fac). I also felt frustrated to understand the context. Here's an example paragraph

 

I join in the congratulations. Even despite his inexplicable decision to join the Patriarchate of Moscow (specifically, the French-Russian structure that illegally switched its alliance from Constantinople to Moscow),

 

Is Euclid University considered an accredited/recognized university?
University's accreditation status appears complicated.
Euclid claims recognition by some international bodies, it has not been widely recognized by traditional accreditation agencies that are well-known in countries like the United States or within the European Union.

 

It holds accreditation from the Ministry of Higher Education in CAR and the National Accreditation and Quality Assurance Authority of Gambia. Because the institution is headquartered in both CAR and Gambia, I wouldn't expect it to hold accreditation from either the US or Europe.

 

You are fighting tooth and nail here for a school located in Africa with questionable accreditation. Michael Smith, you should complete the degree and attempt to get it evaluated. Be the genuine pig to experiment; there is no need to provide all this here say and accreditation that doesn't mean anything to anyone.

 

Well, I have positive things to say about the school, while not recommending enrollment for most students - precisely because of the ambiguity you noted. You know, discussion, what this forum is here for.

 

Alright. Demonstrate your claim.

That's not my name.

[QUOTE/]you should complete the degree and attempt to get it evaluated.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the advice.

Why would I need to do that when I've already seen the evidence of such evaluations?

 

You've got me curious. I apparently once created an account to apply to a master's in energy studies (news to me!), but I deleted that enrollment and changed my profile to PhD in Measurement and Evaluation.

 

After changing my profile to the PhD, I emailed admissions to ask if I needed to take any other action. They emailed me back with a request to submit a set of admission documentation. I emailed it in (CV, ID, transcripts or diplomas.) They replied that I would have an admissions interview in the next 5-10 business days.

 

Just because one can get a CAR accredited degree, does not mean it will be taken seriously. India has over 8000 universities and colleges too if one is seeking a developing world degree.

List of Top 10 Countries with Most Universities in the World - Basic Planet

 

I can totally see someone liking something about one of their programs. For most students - not recommended. Euclid is a fairly small operation, with a budget of around $300K. But it looks like they do attract SOME students, and those students do real work - published works are evidence of some level of scholarship.

 

I received an email letting me know that they are not currently conducting application interviews but instead will conduct a review of my application based on the materials submitted.

(If I knew that I probably would not have skipped the optional statement of intent!)

Anyway, they also attached a Q&A document laying out the most common admissions-related questions which I will review later and I will hear within 5 days the outcome of the review and admission decision.

 

I did the same. However, I withdrew my application after acceptance because they require co-ownership of any scholarship produced during the program.