DBA vs. PhD and more...

Very interesting... It will be interesting to see what is required for the conversion. Thanks for sharing this.

Dave

 

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So are you saying that they are 'impossible' schools? or too rigurous perhaps?

 

External research part-time AACSB accredited....

Not really - I'm simply asking questions that any prospective student should ask - what's the chance I'll be able to graduate? What's the chance I'll be admitted in the first place? For the European and Aussie choices - I really don't know. The absence of grads from these programs in this forum doesn't seem to bode well. We've heard lots of talk - but where are the grads?

There are lots of reasons for not finishing a doctoral program. Deciding you don't want to do the work is one. But being told you won't be allowed to finish by a school is quite different.

The US non-AACSB programs do offer one advantage. Assuming you're willing to keep on working (and paying), you're likely to graduate. I've seen some folks kicked out of such programs - but not many.

Regards - Andy

 

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Even part time residential PhDs are always looked down.

The reality is that you always have to deal with snobery in the academic world. However, you should always get the best you can get given your present situation.

 

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Unfortunately there are no such programs in the US or Canada. The UK and France have some though and PERHAPS Australia (not sure on that one).

Here are the one's I know of:

Aston Business School (UK)
Henley Management College (UK)
Grenoble Graduate School of Business (France)
Manchester Business School (UK)

 

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And if you had a residential PhD, how would anyone know if it was part-time?

 

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And, if a CEO did have a PhD, the PhD had nothing to do with becoming CEO if people didn't hire him/her as CEO directly out of the PhD program? Hmm.

 

Its called starting your own company. My whole point was you DO have to work your way up, PhD or not. So if CEO is your goal, you are wasting time spending another 4+ years in school to earn a PhD. That's not to say a what you learn during a PhD might not help, but there are more ways to learn than by going through a PhD program. Also, many businesses shy away from hiring PhDs period, thinking them too much of a lab rat to be in a leadership role.

 

1. Positions are either tenure-track or not - if not, you will be constantly looking for a job every year or so - the periennial "visiting professor".

2. If tenure-track (which is a long shot without a respecrted school), you have 3-7 years to be evaluated. Depending on several factors, quality of research (published articles), quality of service, collegiality, quality of teaching, size of departmental enrollment, etc (some things are beyond your control) you will have fairly secure employment or your will be pounding the streets again. Note that quality of teaching is usually way down the list.

 

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Generally, they wouldn't. If you graduated from a B&M school with a part-time residency-based doctorate, I think you're in good shape. I don't think the part-time versus full-time bias is as pronounced as the traditional versus online/DL bias.

 

The "whole package" only counts if the persons' making the decision want to justify their decision.

I was brought on board (at a 4th tier University) for my specific expertise and vendor credential - I specifically brought p early in the hiring process my "non-traditional" (retired military) resume. Since they were looking for reasons to bring me on board, it was ok. If they HAD NOT been looking to bring me on board, it would NOT have been OK.

 

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I dunno what your bubble is...but this discussion does not pertain to most CC's. A state-supported CC can pay just about as well as a 4 years college and makes much less of a distinction about where the degree came from.

CC's have tenure, great benefits, etc.

YMMV.

 

If your desire is to teach at EKU - it really doesn't matter what any other school does.

What faculty shortages exist at EKU? What network do you have there? What can you bring to the table to make yourself attractive to them?

 

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I think the completion rate is low for those European schools, however, I personally know two people who have graduated from these European programs. I am ABD within one of these programs and the route has been a relatively positive one. I must add, however, that the requirements are high and European professors/supervisors show no mercy (yet are fair).

If I were to guess at the completion rate, I would say about 20 - 30% although this is just a GUESS based on my experience.

 

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Not many schools allow part time PhD students and the ones that do, normally grant a different degree to make the distinction. The University of Toronto for example grants EdDs instead of PhDs for those doing part time work (although one can get a EdD on a full time basis).

The argument is that one cannot really conduct quality research if working full time.

As for DL PhDs, this is relative as one can always register as a part time student in a research based PhD program and negotiate few visits with supervisor and no one would know that was distance.

As for external research PhDs in the UK and Australia, as Andy was saying, they are not for the average student. I explored these programs and they were designed for academics with a high level of commitment and not the average working guy with a family of 5 kids to support. The market is basically academics working already in Universities in places where doctoral programs are not available and the external programs seem to be the only way to continue their studies,

The typical profile of such students were professors working in Saudi Arabia, Singapore, etc.

I don't think that NCU is after the same market, they are targeting the working professional with family commitments that have few hours to spare here and there but not able to commit the long hours required to earn a more academic oriented PhD as the ones offered by the UK or Australian shools.


In conclusion, the fast track doctorates as the ones offered by NCU, Walden, etc have their market but I don't think were designed for individuals planning full time academic careers although might be people using them for this purpose.

 

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The fast track doctorate market DOES include faculty already on board who need the credential for pay, tenure criteria satisfaction, etc. I suspect quite a few are CC faculty or administrators.

 

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I agree, but I don`t think are designed for people wanting to switch from industry to academia as they lack or publication requirements, teaching requirements, etc.

I see them as continuing education for those wanting to learn new topics or those looking for a pay increase.

 

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All one would necessarily have to do in order to do a bricks & mortar PhD part-time would be to look up your maximum time in program and determine the average courseload per semester to meet that dealine.

 

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Sorry Ted....could you elaborate on this statement a bit please?

 

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There are probably others out there more expert than myself, but my recollection of graduate school applications was that the application itself never required you to check a box for full-time or part-time. Now, in your graduate school bulletin, under degree regulations, there will be specified both minimum and maximum time in program requirements. While this might vary from one university to the next, usually they specify a minimum of three years and a maximum of eight years for the doctorate. Thus, if one was determined to get a doctorate part-time from a bricks & mortar school, you would just concern yourself with getting into the program and, once in, establish your own pace based on the maximum time to degree.