Course accreditation crisis in top Ugandan Universities

My post stated it assumed that by "pressure" you meant reporting on.

I was not aware that Biden was threatening sanctions against Uganda. That being the case the answer to your question is very simple. The simple answer is that it would be ridiculous to threaten them with sanctions. Both Saudi Arabia and the Emiratis are extremely rich plus they ship out lots of oil out. It would be a stupid disaster to try to sanction them. It wouldn't work and no one else in the world would like be interested in participating in meaningless sanctions.

 

Yes, that was my point all along. WHen Obama was president, he had at the time given strong opinions to Kenya too.

 

But humanity is our business. If it were (and it is in some places) Christians being thrown off buildings or jailed for their faith would we find this acceptable?
"We believe in the right to shape our culture and of self-determination." Like many nations, Uganda hasn't imbibed the new Western morality and, for some reason, many Westerners believe sovereign nations should roll over and accept whatever ethical position they decide. Ironically, the same people decry colonialism".

 

Throwing Christians off of buildings and penalizing people for sodomy through a state's legal system are not remotely comparable.

 

Penalizing Christians through a state's legal system is and I mentioned that. My point remains valid.

 

Friend, that is a bald category error. Note that first Uganda is not penalizing people for same-sex attraction. Rather, it is the behavior of sodomy that is illegal. A sex act is not the same as religious adherence. Further, contemporary Western views on sodomy are novel. As noted previously, up until fairly recently, many US states prohibited sodomy by law. Demanding that a nation bend its legislation to correspond with a nation's novel set of ethical views and its attending set of judicial decrees is unreasonable and presents as a form of intellectual colonialism. Moreover, there is no legitimate ethical basis for claiming that sodomy is a moral good. Religious liberty, on the other hand, is key to human flourishing.

 

Not true. A sex act and a religious act while different are not dissimilar in the sense of the freedom involved. Gay sex acts are between the people involved. Religious liberty is key to human flourishing but so is freedom of relationship between consenting adults.

All of my original points stand unrefuted. The comparison is unrefuted. You are simply choosing one thing that bothers you and excusing it and the suffering of fellow human beings.

I am not gay but if I do not have concern for the rights of others (basic human rights) where are we? We must speak out against injustice.

 

I would say that religious liberty is a subset of individual liberty. I would consider the liberty to love and to choose who one would like to make a life and family with to also be a subset of individual liberty. Personally I'd say the ability to exercise that liberty to be even more important than religious liberty for human flourishing.

 

So, evil has a sliding scale. Got it.

 

Agreed, that is why I started the sentence with the word "personally". But admittedly I'm not a religiously oriented person.

 

There's no legit ethical basis for claiming it's a moral evil, either.

 

An argument can be made.

Life partners should be loving to one another. This is true whether the relationship is between two different sexed heterosexuals or same sexed homosexuals. This is morally good and ethically correct, in my view.

Now Michael will probably just say something like homosexuals have to live together without sexual relations or find someone of the opposite sex to marry. I would argue that would just be violating the individual liberty of homosexuals to force them to live that way.

 

Agreed. Completely. Trouble is, there are still people who would commit, or endorse such violation without any qualms, falsely believing that LGBTQ+ people deserve "correction" or "punishment." I'm glad we now have laws against such violations of individual liberty.

LGBTQ+ people can be husbands, wives, mothers and fathers (by adoption) like everyone else. We all have the same rights, the same individual liberty - and the same dignity..

 

I should have said "by adoption, surrogacy, donor insemination etc."

 

I think the issue here is really that folks that consider LGBTQ+ people/relations sinful or immoral are not looking at LGBTQ+ people as people instead they consider them sub-human. If there is even any real thought of them at all. If one rereads the anti-gay posts in this thread they are focused on sodomy. Expressing it in obviously belittling terms. It seems to me, exposing the sub-human view held. I note there's no mention of problems with two females making love, probably because the focus is on anal penetration. That probably just seems more disgusting and sub-human.

It is really good that over the past couple decades far more LGBTQ+ people are coming out. It makes it much easier and more likely that people will look at them as fellow human beings when it is folks with a name, a smile, and a family.

 

Sodomy is flimsy basis for an argument against homosexuality. Sodomy is neither universal nor rare in any orientation. It's not universal among gay men nor is it rare among straight couples.

 

It's more cultural. An African isn't American and vice versa. It's like an election where a candidate meets all the requirements to be declared the winner but there is agitation for another person to be declared. There are people that are almost openly gay in Nigeria, one popular for his modifications, he just had a butt job done. Is he in prison? No, did anyone stone him? No, but it becomes far-reaching if he now wants to make his "culture" the norm when it isn't for us.

 

It is an asinine canard to suggest that orthodox Christians who condemn homosexual relations as sin consider those who engage in such acts as "sub-human." We believe every human has inherent dignity because each person is made in the image of God. Rather, because we value each person, we view homosexual sin as antithetical to human flourishing and a detriment to human life. Perhaps instead of trotting out a palpably ridiculous canard so that you may demonize the other side (ironically), do some reading and get informed.