Charisma University has received "Candidate for Accreditation ACPSP

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by worldtraveler, Apr 17, 2014.

  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    The emphasis Delta uses may not be in the original, but the ACBSP web site does indeed say that. It doesn't sound like just writing a check and making some assertions would be good enough for them.
  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    No, it doesn't. But given the simpleness of becoming a "candidate," I'm not confident they do much to make that determination. A more responsible stance would be to follow either the RAs (who put schools through an extensive process that labels them accreditation-ready) or DETC (who calls their applicants "applicants" until they make an accreditation decision).

    ACBSP is used to relying on other authorities to ensure applicants are legitimate. Are we really relying on a little island territory with no other universities to do that? REALLY?

    I'm amazed at the number of people in higher education who have absolutely no knowledge about these things, yet make decisions about it anyway. From schools hiring faculty with fake degrees to an RA inadvertently granting accreditation to the first non-residential doctorate ever, it goes on and on. We don't know if this is one of those cases, and the more simple explanation would be that they know exactly what Charisma is. But look around. Does that thingy have any sort of footprint anywhere that would indicate it's a real university?

    Finally, I want to emphasize that I don't have a dog in this hunt. I just don't like mill shills pimping their product and having their statements sit around without serious refutation. I've listed several areas where legitimate schools make themselves clear. Let's see if this operation does those things.
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    If the Caymans, Anguilla, and Montserrat can oversee medical schools whose graduates practice in the U.S. and other wealthy countries, why can't TCI host a distance learning university? Or, if it inherently can't, then what would it take for them to be able to join the club?
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I think each territory has to be evaluated on case by case basis.
    TCI had it share in corruption scandals and accusations. including recent one related to bribes accepted by education officials for Haitian's school placements at TCI.

    The Bad and the Ugly:

    After reading the corruption reports and actions taken to fix the issues you can decide if its time to trust TCI government.

    The Good:

    The latest news of convictions of the and bribery of Education officials show that more time needed before TCI government can be trusted.

    I'm not in any way reflecting on Charisma University.
    I'm not familiar with this school. Looks like they are taking the right steps to get accredited.
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That sounds reasonable on the face of it, and I certainly don't deny the right for individuals to hold opinions and act on them as they see fit. But it seems that poorer jurisdictions often have to prove their competence, while wealthier ones get waived in regardless of what happens on their watch. I'm just not a fan of that.

    That was a secretary at a high school, not a well-placed Ministry official. And it's true that there was a Premier there who turned out to be crooked, but would you say that the U.S. Department of Education can't be trusted because Bill Clinton was disbarred?
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I actually tend to be on the side of the underdog. TCI is what about 47,000 people all the islands together? So how many officials are there in the MOE?
    But you say secretary, maybe she is also an official, I tend to think official is a Minister or Director Ministers chief of office.

    The news I read on another channel was
    Education officials charged with soliciting bribes
    February 24, 2014

    Two education officials are now in court charged with soliciting bribes from parents and guardians attempting to enroll their children into the Providenciales school system. Most of the parents are Haitian nationals who were approached for illegal payments to guarantee enrollment.


    Why I like the fact that ACE and ACBSP accept MOE approval of TCI is because
    some of the Nationally Accredited Universities have a chance to become members and even Candidates for Accreditation with ACBSP.

    Since the policy of ACBSP not to accept in US non RA universities, I think some NA's should open an operation in TCI, with all the intention to provide excellent DL Education.
    Meet all the requirements, I think it would be cheaper then an office in my home town NY.
    The they will have to apply for TCI MOE recognition.

    As to other Islands, University of West Indies comes to my mind.

    Two Rhodes Scholarships are offered to Caribbean nationals each year; one specifically for Jamaicans and one that is open to the entire Caribbean (Jamaica included).

    Former UWI Vice Chancellor Sir Arthur Lewis (St. Lucia) received the Nobel Prize for Economics in 1979.Fellow St. Lucian and UWI Alumnus Mr. Derek Walcott received the Noble Prize for Literature in 1992.
    The 2007 Nobel Peace Prize was given to the Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Control (IPCC) and former US Vice President Al Gore Jr. As members of the UN's Intergovenmental Panel for Climate Contril and authors of scientific working group reports related to global warming, academics Professor Anthony Chen, Dr. Leonard Nurse and Professor John Agard also shared in the glory of the 2007 prize.

    Presentation Ceremony of The Certificate of Institutional Accreditation to The UWI Open Campus | The University of the West Indies - Open Campus

    History was created in Barbados for the University of the West Indies (UWI) Open Campus and the Barbados Accreditation Council (BAC) when the UWI Open Campus was bestowed institutional accreditation status.The ceremony was held on Monday, July 8, 2013 at the BAC’sheadquarters in St. Michael, Barbados and was streamed live across the Caribbean to the various locations of theOpen Campusin 16 countries.

    Barbados Accreditation Council
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  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It's an intriguing suggestion, and I agree that they could do this in theory, but I really doubt any U.S. institution will do this in practice. I suppose time will tell.
  8. notmeagain

    notmeagain New Member

    If the Executive Directors at the national accreditors truely beleived their organizations were peer to RA's, they would send a letter like this:

    Dear Steve Parscal:

    I have been following an interesting conversation concerning an ACBSP candidate school called Charisma University in Turks and Caicos Islands.

    I cannot help but ponder that what I am sure is a wonderful school like Charisma is able to apply for ACBSP accreditation, yet a degree granting university in the United States with accreditation granted from our accrediting body, an institution that is recognized by the same organizations and government agencies that recognize ACBSP, is not eligible to apply.

    So that I may more fully understand the exclusion of our institutions, would you be so kind as to provide me with the rational for excluding legitimate US schools for application based solely upon their accreditation, while accepting as applicants foreign schools who are under significantly less regulatory oversight.

    Thank you for your time.
  9. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    First, let me be very clear: this is the one and only time that I have edited a post not my own. If I recall correctly, I edited it to correct a spelling error.
  10. surprises

    surprises New Member

    I am back again BUT this time with the real surprises :D

    Charisma University has sued for allowing slanderous and defamation forums against Charisma University. Among the defendants are those that have posted against Charisma University and site owner.

    This lawsuit is with the Superior Court of California, County of Orange with case number 30-2014-00730009-CU-DF-CJC; the Judge's name is Judge Andrew P. Banks

    If you are among the defendants and you are using your nickname/fake name to post here, please provide your contact details to Charisma University at [email protected] to have the summons and complaint served to you. If you decide not to provide your contact details, you are agreeing that this forum is your best contact information and that you have been served.

    At the end, it turns out that Charisma University was not making an empty legal lawsuit threat. This is serious!

    Thank you!
  11. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Serious?!? Oh my, that changes everything!

  12. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    I don't see any negative comments about Charisma University in this thread. Why it is a lawsuit?
  13. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member


  14. surprises

    surprises New Member

    It is OK to laugh now and laugh more loud, but only a responsible person will understand the pains associated with a lawsuit; perhaps when the court reaches its verdict, those smiling faces will be frowned! If you think there are no negative comments against Charisma University in this thread, maybe you need to read again and also read other thread in degreeinfo "from Philippines to grand turks". I really don't have time discussing about this since the court is now dealing with it. If you are among the defendants, this is now the time for you to come to the court and prove your case beyond reasonable doubt.

    Good luck!
  15. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    What you say here is absolutely absurd. For your benefit, since you are likely to humiliate yourself even further with each progressing day, please follow closely.

    "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is the burden of proof upon the state necessary to convict US citizens of criminal actions in a court of law. The supposed damages of which you seek to obtain recompense are not criminal in nature but civil. You are filing a civil suit. A civil suit. A C-I-V-I-L suit. In other words, you have the wrong burden of proof. The burden of proof for CIVIL cases is the "preponderance of the evidence," which you might recognize as something that you do not have. Speaking of which, you also misunderstand directionality. The defendant is not the one who is responsible for fulfilling this burden, it is the plaintiff. You. It is YOUR burden. Y-O-U-R burden. Meaning that you just might be the only person to show up in court that day, and you will still lose. An empty chair can provide an adequate defense against your complaint if you are not capable of making your case, which you might recognize as the very situation that you are in.

    Likely, it won't even get that far. Likely, the case will be thrown out entirely and then you will have to answer for your willful filing of a frivolous lawsuit and be subject to a hefty fine on top of some very, very bad press. Then, the whole lot of laughing sports stars and kittens will be unleashed in memorium of the festivities that were.
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  16. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    I think we ought to stop listening to surprises as if he actually knows anything of these matters. By his own admission he is "just their student." I'm sure that even a school like Charisma has the good sense not to talk in detail about their legal matters with their students. Hey surprises, maybe you could use you vast knowledge and influence to send over a person from the university who actually has some authority in these matters. And I don't mean just another anonymous troll like yourself but someone with a real name and a real verifiable position at the school who can discuss these matters on the record. Until then, why would anyone bother responding to "just a student."
  17. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    For the lulz :laughing:.
  18. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    I was attempting to complain about you that I have not received my degree from It has been 8 1/2 years since my admission, but have not received my degree yet. Actually, you got me, next direct the link to some virus site for me to catch! lol
  19. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator Staff Member

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  20. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Well, it was serious. And expensive. For Dr. Peter Okpala, anyway. He's the one who sued. I'm the only defendant in the case that was served, despite the case being more than a year old. Today, I won a dismissal. In addition, I won an anti-SLAPP motion, so Dr. Okpala will be ordered to pay my attorney's fees related to the anti-SLAPP action. Here's the exact verbiage for all you lawyers, licensed or otherwise:

    Case dismissed today.

    From the motion:

    Defendant Richard Douglas's Special Motion to Strike (SLAPP) is granted. The court finds that the conduct by defendant Douglas, alleged in the Plaintiff's First Amended Complaint ("FAC"), falls within the provisions of protected conduct under CCP § 425.16(e)(3) & (e)(4).

    The burden then shifted to Plaintiff to establish a probability that the plaintiff will prevail on the claim, i.e., a showing of facts that would, if proved at trial, support a judgment in the plaintiff's favor. DuPont Merck Pharmaceutical Co. v. Superior Court (2000) 78 Cal.App.4th 562, 567, 568. The motion must be supported and opposed by declarations stating facts upon which liability or defense is based. CCP § 425.16(b). Plaintiff failed to submit any evidence in Opposition to the motion. As the Plaintiff's Opposition fails to provide any facts to support any of the causes of action alleged against Defendant in his FAC, Plaintiff has failed to meet his evidentiary burden, and the Defendant's motion is granted.

    Defendant Richard Douglas is the prevailing party in this action and is awarded his costs per timely memorandum of costs, and his reasonable attorney's fees incurred in bringing this SLAPP motion per CCP § 425.16(c)(1), in an amount to be determined by a noticed attorney's fees motion.

    Dr. Okpala has yet to serve any of the other defendants after more than a year.

    Dr. Okpala conducted this case pro se, but was represented by special counsel (appointed just for the hearing) at each of the last two hearings, both of which were ruled in our favor.

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