Charisma University has received "Candidate for Accreditation ACPSP

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  1. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The collection order has been issued and served.

    Dr. Okpala, if you're reading this, it would be a very good idea to contact my attorney (you have her info) and offer a settlement. Hardly anyone reads these threads, but this matter might come closer to you than you'd like.
     
  2. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Just out of curiosity, regarding this lawsuit or any other, what happens if the loser simply doesn't pay? What happens next? Does the court somehow attach their assets or something like that? Repossess the school? What would happen if I lost a lawsuit and I just didn't pay up?
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Others on the board may offer better insights; this is my first lawsuit of any kind on either side. But I can imagine collection efforts with his employer(s) would be embarrassing to him. He lives in California. (No, I won't doxx him.) The judgment is accompanied by a court order to pay, so skipping out might not be a good idea.

    I'd be very interested to hear others with better insight into this.
     
  4. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    This contractor ending up owing me money. So I had the Sherriff go to his house and give him whatever it is that they call it (I forget what they call it). I guess all of his neighbors noticed, so he ended up paying real quick. I know your situation is very different though.
     
  5. mbwa shenzi

    mbwa shenzi Active Member

    I think he's pretty much self-employed. Peter Chris Okpala founded Victorville International University, now known as Charisma University, and his twin brother Paul Chris was the founder of American Centered University,
     
  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    If you have a court judgment for money owed, you (or your agent) can have the court set in motion the legal remedies available where you live. They pretty much follow a standard set of "things you can do" in most places. Where I live, the remedies include garnishment of income, seizure of bank accounts, placing liens on the judgment debtor's property (that may ultimately result in seizure and sale) and examination under oath before the court, to determine what assets are available. I'm pretty familiar with how all these things work around where I live -- I was basically a bill-collector for thirty years.

    In general, if someone simply doesn't pay a judgment, they usually leave themselves open to whatever legal pile of grief can be visited on them, in their particular jurisdiction. Around here, a person with severe debt problems could ask the court to make an order for payment in keeping with his/her means. Of course, the last-ditch form of protection - bankruptcy - is there in desperate circumstances.

    I know hardly anything about California's specific collection laws, except that a judgment creditor has ten years to collect on a judgment and it's renewable for another ten years if need be. I'm sure Rich's legal representatives can take care of this long before that.

    J.
     
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  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I know he teaches (or has taught) as an adjunct. I know where he lives as well as his phone number. I'm hoping he'll just pay it and move on, but we'll see. If he doesn't, it'll sit on his credit report for 7 years. The judgment is collectible for 10 years and might be renewable beyond that. IIRC, it accrues interest as well, so there's no ducking it unless he declares bankruptcy (over this small amount, I would hope not) or leaves the country.

    In a related announcement, Charisma University announces its new , 1-bedroom residency center! :rolleyes:
     
  8. FTFaculty

    FTFaculty Well-Known Member

    Bankruptcy is not so easily declared anymore, law changed about a decade ago. Much more difficult now. He probably doesn't qualify.
     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It wouldn't be worth it just for this little judgment. It would have to be the proverbial straw....
     
  10. FTFaculty

    FTFaculty Well-Known Member

    That makes sense. I don't know much about Cali law, but willing to bet they have a number of avenues for collecting a judgment. Please by all means go and get him, utilize whatever means the law provides. For one, you deserve some of what you lost back from that vexatious litigation; for another, it will act as a disincentive to future millists and shillists to try the same nonsense; finally, I'm sure you could use the money, unless you're quite wealthy. Glad to hear justice was served, occasionally the law gets it right. Bravo to you for standing your ground.
     
  11. mbwa shenzi

    mbwa shenzi Active Member

    Unless I'm totally mistaken Charisma University is no longer accredited by ASIC. CU is no longer in ASIC's international directory, and ASIC is not mentioned under 'accreditation' on Charisma's website.
     
  12. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    Being accredited by ASIC is like being accredited by a guy, his wife, and her elderly father as a secretary in a residential home. Actually, that's EXACTLY what ASIC's entire business has consisted of:

    DegreeDiscussion.com • View topic - Guess what this is
     
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  13. mbwa shenzi

    mbwa shenzi Active Member

    True that, but then there's that other guy, and a few other other guys in far off (from a UK perspective) places.

    Anyway, there was much ado about that accreditation in a very long thread on another forum so I'm a bit curious about what happened.
     
  14. Stephen Michael

    Stephen Michael New Member

  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

  16. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    "So," as usual, Rich is ignoring the obvious. Perhaps this is because he is a chickenshit, having been sued by Charisma. Or perhaps he is simply lazy.

    For example, if he were to have simply clicked on Stephen Michael's profile, he would see that Michael claims to be:

    Male, 47
    PhD Engineering (CU Boulder), JD/LLM Tax (U of Denver),
    MBA (Columbia), MBA (London), MS Engineering (Stanford),
    MA/BS Economics (BYU)​

    He would also have noted that of Michael's total of 12 posts since he joined DI in February, at least half of them have dealt with Charisma.

    And if Rich had any balls left after his delightful tete-a-tete with Charisma, he would have submitted that Michaek's personal degree claims appear to be bullshit, and that Michael is an obvious shill for Charisma who may have a vested interest in the school.

    Res ipsa loquitur,
    and all that.
     
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    He might. If he cared. It is sisyphean. I'll leave the "small ball" to the likes of you.
     
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I think it's common when a provider achieves a more recognizable accreditation they let go of the less recognizable (be it legit or not) accreditation they had so far.
    So I'm not surprised if they left ASIC behind. They have the recognition of their island ministry of education and
    ACPSP is recognized as specialized accreditation of business programs.
    I won't be surprised if they change their name at some point if there will be sufficient student flow.
    They are not a US university but a foreign one.
     
  19. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly

    Maybe, but I wouldn't necessarily expect that. Names like that aren't strange sounding in a lot of the world, and I don't think U.S. students are their target market.
     
  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I read that the name of Grace Bay University was floating at one time. Didn't they change the name once already? I can be wrong.
    They are claiming institutional Accreditation form ACQUIN - Never heard of them.
    Charisma University is institutionally accredited by Accreditation, Certification, and Quality Assurance Institute (ACQUIN). The German Accreditation Council recognizes ACQUIN.
     

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