Brexit Vote Today

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Kizmet, Jun 23, 2016.

  1. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    That's the funniest part. He wanted it to be a big meeting with the Scottish and Irish leadership but they all turned him down. So in order to try to save face he turned it into a visit to his golf courses - for no reason - in the middle of a presidential election. What a maroon.
  2. rebel100

    rebel100 New Member

    Clearly the republican candidate for president of the United States would make comments about the biggest news story for Scotland in over a year. If he had kept mum you would be bashing him for cowardice and for not speaking his mind.
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I agree. I think in the short term it will appear as though quitting the EU was foolish, but in the medium to long term it will turn out to have been wise.

    Well, except that "England" isn't a person. There's nothing ironic (or hypocritical) about today's Britons tending to hold different positions than their grandparents' grandparents may have held.
  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Right. Because everyone bashes Trump for not speaking his mind. Please.

    There's no real reason to criticize Trump for his Scotland trip. It stands on its own.
  5. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Well, I'm not those people, but the UK doesn't have to care. That's not going to stop the affected countries from caring. Some Americans may not care about policy changes that affect other countries, but it is expected that the people in those countries will care.

    Considering the real reasons why the leave vote prevailed, I see some similarities.
  6. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    I'm no fan of holding children accountable for the sins of their fathers. But neither do I believe that the children can just wash their hands of their parents' misdeeds as if it never happened. The UK has a lengthy history of colonization and one that didn't really consider the will of the people they colonized. So it is a bit ironic that the UK now, simply by virtue of a majority vote, wishes to now gain for itself a greater degree of independence.

    Is it hypocritical? Not really. Because today's Brits didn't occupy India. Though, today's Brits do tend to complain bitterly about the influx of people from their own commonwealth (and former commonwealth) nations.

    Honestly? I'm willing to take the temporary hit in my 401(k) for the Uk to burn just a little bit. I think their break was poorly informed. I hope it costs them Scotland and Northern Ireland. I hope the GBP is soon the butt of jokes sandwiches somewhere in between the Canadian dollar and the Mexican peso. Not because I hate the UK, mind you, but because the UK is neck and neck with the US for sheer national arrogance. Belgium was deservedly cut down to size. I firmly believe it is the UK's turn.

    Part of me also wonders if Trump is our own self destructive behavior coming to roost and if that will be the catalyst for the tumble from grace we've been teetering on for the past few decades.
  7. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Knowing him, he is probably going to write off the golf course visit on his taxes as a business related trip. :smile:
  8. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Here is another fellow waving his Mexican flag:

    Trump Tower in Vancouver has Mexican flag flying thanks to Latino worker | Daily Mail Online

    This guy has some big balls for speaking out back when he did. Trump is a powerful, vengeful man after all. Good for him.

    From the article:

    'MR Trump, we did our best work, your tower here in Vancouver is premium quality, and we were a crucial part of it, not just Mexicans but immigrants as a whole, like your ancestors were.

    'You are not Native American. The insults you have said about us, have not changed our work ethics.

    I would say this tradesman said what he had to say in a very effective manner. I really like the part about the "Native Americans". Trumps ancestors came here from somewhere else, let's not forget. I got to say this guy makes me damn PROUD!
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  9. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    My guess is that he's already planning to write off his entire campaign as a business expense.
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I'm pretty sure just about any American touring business properties they own abroad would do that. What's dodgier is how his campaign keeps using businesses he owns as contractors, such that if you donate to the Trump campaign, you're basically giving the money to him. Think of it as a mirror image of the Clinton foundation.
  11. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    At least Clinton was upfront about it. She did not claim to "self fund" her campaign, then do otherwise. She is just doing business they way it has traditionally been done. Who knows, maybe know that Bernie has brought up certain things, maybe a few things will change. Maybe not. We will have to wait and see. At this point, I am predicting Trump is going to blow this thing. He just lacks discipline.
  12. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    I was in the UK during and after the vote.
    As a result of the Brexit referendum both major parties are in disarray.
    The conservatives have a "anybody but Boris" campaign.
  13. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

  14. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    "Anybody but Boris" already won -- Boris Johnson announced he's not running.
  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It could happen somewhere else.
  16. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

  17. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

  18. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

  19. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I'd replace the U.S. federal government with a free trade/free movement area in a heartbeat.
  20. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Actually enforcing the 10th Amendment would be a good start for me.

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