APUS Announces 1st Doctoral Programs

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by FJD, May 14, 2017.

  1. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    In my mind, the courses you have to take are not that big of a deal. Your PhD is your dissertation (but that's just me)
  2. Tireman 44444

    Tireman 44444 Well-Known Member

  3. FTFaculty

    FTFaculty Well-Known Member

    Do people want online history PhDs for personal development? For the job market? If the latter, history is so glutted that it's sometimes hard for PhDs from flagship universities to find a tenure track position, and even those who do typically find the market is such that they're lucky to make as much per year as the average entry-level person does in a profession such as accounting or information systems.

    Had a colleague at the first college I ever taught (small school, 1,500 students) who had a PhD in history from Flagship State U as well as a PhD in theology from a regionally accredited university and yet, even with two PhDs, could not find a job for the longest time and to make ends meet was adjuncting for a number of schools, teaching up to 30 credit hours a semester, and in some cases driving an hour one way to teach a class. In case you think there was something wrong with the guy and that was the reason for his failure to find a job, he was witty, brilliant, loved by students and looked so hot he could've walked right onto a movie set with his neatly trimmed beard, longish hair and penetrating eyes. He was the happiest guy in the world when he landed that $35K a year job at my small college and no longer had to drive several hundred miles a week to teach all over.

    This may be preaching to the choir and many of you may know more about this than me, but hey, history is a rough market.
  4. Tireman 44444

    Tireman 44444 Well-Known Member

    More from Dr. Powell, President of APUS...

    Aspiring to Achieve Your Doctorate at APUS?

    Your wait is over.

    In support of our mission to educate those who serve, and to meet the advanced educational needs of our professional students in the security and intelligence fields, we are excited to announce the addition of two doctoral degrees to our premier School of Security & Global Studies:
    Doctor of Global Security (D.G.S.)
    Doctor of Strategic Intelligence (D.S.I.)
    The curriculum for these new programs was fully vetted with leading practitioners in both the public and private sectors to help ensure alignment with the rapidly-evolving demands of our nation's most critical intelligence-related careers. The programs will be offered in cohorts, with three per year beginning January 2018.

    These applied doctorate programs emphasize applied rigorous research that can be applied within your professional practice. These programs are ideal if you graduated with a master's degree in fields such as: international relations, intelligence studies, homeland security, national security, military studies, emergency and disaster management, or public administration.

    Excited to learn more?

    We will be holding in-person and virtual information sessions in late June and early July. We invite you to join our school deans, faculty, and staff to learn more about the curriculum, academic expectations, start dates, tuition costs, and more.

    Please visit our information page for details and to register for an event.

    We hope you will consider being part of the inaugural class and help define the future of intelligence and global security education.


    Karan Powell, Ph. D.
    President, American Public University System
  5. Tireman 44444

    Tireman 44444 Well-Known Member

    Yes. Correct. In my case, I came to terms with that back in my undergraduate days. I am fine with where I am, almost PhD and adjuncting at a community college. I can still teach, write and give papers on my research at conferences.
  6. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator Staff Member

    Agreed, I just think they'd be better served in the long run with the History Ph.D./D.A. than these obscure titles.

    No doubt, but then what?
  7. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Given that their likely doctoral learners are senior bureaucrats, military, or maybe political candidates, it is a wash at best. Also, it might well be easier to get accreditation or state approval for a nonstandard title rather than the PhD.
  8. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Yeah, I don't know. Aggressive marketing to non-US students?
  9. Fuerza

    Fuerza New Member

    I would almost be interested in these programs if one could carve out a concentration in critical languages (Arabic, Korean, Brazilian Portuguese, Farsi, etc...). Given the plethora of distance learning programs in translation/interpretation, and now Cal U's completely online Arabic MA, there is certainly a platform to follow.
  10. airtorn

    airtorn Moderator Staff Member

    Link, please.
  11. rebel100

    rebel100 New Member

    Any word on program costs?
  12. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    This might be an untapped market. My classmates in my security studies program, including myself, were struggling to find online doctorates in international relations, which is the closest you can get to national/international security studies.
  13. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

  14. ThePatriotHistoria

    ThePatriotHistoria New Member

    That's funny actually, I've thought of looking into a Degree in Theology, before or after a History PhD. So here is the rundown... If you cannot land a decent job when you hold the duty requirements. It's you. I don't care how washboard his abs were, or how cunning he was, or if all students loved him, he obviously turned people off somehow. That said, as long as you have feasible goals in mind, go for whatever you want. In my case, a history PhD :). There is something sexy about being called "historian" ;-)
  15. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    The teaching-market is absolutely flooded with too many history doctorates and theology doctorates. It's also interesting to note that at the end of Thomas Aquinas' life (1224–1274), he self-reflected that, "All that I have written seems like straw."
  16. rebel100

    rebel100 New Member

    From APU

    We offer an applied doctorate in Global Security. The tuition for the program will be around $60,054. The tuition for the program will include coursework (except dissertation credits), all 3 residencies and all course materials. Room and board for residencies year 1 and 3 are covered, and all travel, room, and board for year 2 residency is covered. Also, during the dissertation phase of the program students will pay one credit per term ($863) for continuing registration until the dissertation is defended and graduation requirements are met.
  17. Tireman 44444

    Tireman 44444 Well-Known Member

    60K? Whooaaa....wow...I thought there would be no residencies...
  18. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Apparently "no residencies" doesn't mean it won't cost as much as a house. :saeek:
  19. Tireman 44444

    Tireman 44444 Well-Known Member

    True. True. LOL
  20. Fuerza

    Fuerza New Member

    That tuition is kind of a deal-breaker. I wish more universities would charge the same for master's and doctoral tuition. This is common practice in the SUNY system, especially since master's and doctoral students often take the same courses. I realize that not all schools follow the same policies, but a tuition jump from $350 per credit for master's tuition to $863 per credit for a doctorate seems excessive.

    Sort of off-topic, but I wish the more affordable schools, like APUS, would look towards forging doctoral partnerships with some of the more affordable distance-learning institutions, particularly UNISA. In my imagined scenario, a student in one of AMU's master's programs, like CJ for example, who graduated with a decent GPA and submitted an acceptable research proposal (perhaps as part of the capstone seminar) could automatically be admitted to UNISA's PhD in Criminal Justice. AMU would serve as the American point of contact, and students would submit application materials and tuition through AMU. AMU would provide a dissertation adviser and possibly a reader, and UNISA would supply another professor as a reader. AMU would also grant students access to their online libraries to assist with research. Given that yearly tuition for a foreign doctoral student at UNISA could be less than $2,000/year, AMU could charge a tuition rate of $5,000/year (keeping 3,000 for themselves) and still be a bargain. Both AMU and UNISA make out in getting tuition payments, as well as a larger public profile, with a lower labor investment, and the American students get an affordable doctoral degree from a respected foreign institution with assistance from an accredited American institution. Other schools, like Excelsior and TESU could jump on the bandwagon as well.

    OK, back to the topic.

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