Course accreditation crisis in top Ugandan Universities

Orientation determines preference as to what the individual will practise. So, zealots criminalize both, e.g. the two young men in Cameroon jailed for "looking gay." I've read some of your writing re: issues of abortion and homosexuality, as you see them. I found your comments on both very disturbing. Our two viewpoints are entirely incompatible. I do not wish to engage with you again. So I won't. This is it.

 

Strange, because mine doesn't do that

 

Yes, I can see how the predominant viewpoint taken by the vast bulk of humanity for virtually all of recorded history (that is, until the zeitgeist) might be "very disturbing."

Right. Yet, I can tolerate our disagreement and have a civil conversation without resorting to this:

How convenient.

 

It is strange, I assume something about my setup is causing it. Here's a few examples of when I open the site.

 

https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/florida-alliance-planned-parenthood-affiliates/blog/four-ancient-civilizations-that-would-celebrate-pride-month

https://www.hrc.org/news/two-spirit-and-lgbtq-idenitites-today-and-centuries-ago

 

Michael, a large number of cultures found slavery acceptable for most of recorded history and it is still practiced. Does that mean it is acceptable? Someone (Wilberforce - a devout Christian parliamentarian) stood against it for years to bring it down in the British Empire.

Are you supportive of laws that criminalize homosexual behavior between consenting adults? Do you feel they should be arrested and jailed? Do you consider that a just or unjust law?

God is big enough to deal with sin and issues of judgement (yours as well as theirs). Perhaps your job is elsewhere. Especially since this is something that does not impact you or cause harm (unlike other sins).

 

Slavery, child labor, child marriage, mutilation as punishment, torture... there are a bunch of things that used to be acceptable for thousands of years and that no longer are in much of the world because we (or most of us) now know better.

 

I looked at several sources that concluded that LGBTQ Natives in many tribes were accepted, prior to European Contact, only to become marginalized later, due to prevailing European attitudes.

 

Unfortunately, Rachel, slavery is still alive and kicking in 167 countries! And even where it isn't, people are poached by neighnouring countries. E.G Nigeria, where the British oiutlawed slavery in 1880, but the law was never enforced till 1935. Finally - no more Nigerian slaves as of the 1940s. But seven countries across Nigeria's border practice slavery and Nigerian people are either kidnapped by slavers or sold across the border by unscrupulous Nigerians.

Here's more on some of those 167 countries.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-still-have-slavery

https://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+all+countries+that+still+have+slavery&oq=list+of+all+countries+that+still+have+slavery&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i160l2.10136j0j4&client=ubuntu-chr&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Anyway @Rachel83az - I'm trying to see what your post has to do with LGBTQ+. Yes, countries did away with some evils over the past centuries, creating laws against them. Surely you don't think of LGBTQ as one of those evils -and support legislation against these people? Please tell me you don't.

PS - I also suspect others of those evils you mentioned still flourish in quite a few countries.

 

Stupid me. @Rachel83az Just realized - you mean that many countries have outlawed discrimination against LGBTQ+ and made laws to accommodate them eg. gay marriage. True - but there are too many ignorant folks also making new laws - many with drastic penalties -- against LGBTQ, e.g. Uganda.

And as I've tried to show with slavery - the evils have not necessarily been eradicated to the extent we might think.

 

Since Johann is unlikely to respond let me share my view.

Context: I'm not as old as Johann but I'm 71 and consider myself an "old fart". Us old farts have dealt with many things that we disagree with over our lives. There came a point in my life where dealing with folks on the Internet that could be considered disagreeable from my point of view just wasn't worth it.

So anyway congratulations on perhaps collecting a one-ups-manship point on Johann. I can almost guarantee you though that Johann couldn't care less.

 

You can guarantee that 100%, Bill. You "told it like it is." And thanks for your kindness and consideration. They are sincerely appreciated.

 

Definitely looks unsafe/annoying. Not what I see, though. My apologies

 

I don't see that either. But I use an adblocker, even on mobile.

 

Affirmation of traditional views on marriage, gender, and sexuality is obviously not tantamount to an affirmation of slavery and, therefore, your question is unhelpful. Further, my point was not an argument ad populum. Rather, my point was that this view should be given consideration because of its antiquity, venerability, and inherent goodness. Given that slavery is not monolithic and is an economic necessity for some (e.g., its better to become a slave than do die of starvation), I'd say your question lacks the ballast of real-world difficulty.

Yes, just as I am supportive of laws that criminalize conventional adultery, prostitution, pornography, and a litany of other practices.

No, I believe locking people up in a cage is immoral.

Since you've invoked God, sin, and judgment, you've implicitly invoked revelation-- a text which discloses God's will on these and many other matters. Let's not pretend that revelation is unclear.

My job? Theology, including moral theology, is my job.

If the basis for discussing policy and morality is whether an act directly impacts one or causes harm (i.e., a flaccid form of utilitarianism), morality then becomes illusory, and nihilism is the result. Further, I would argue that these practices obviously do impact society (that is palpable every June) on numerous levels and cause various forms of harm.

 

No wonder it was so difficult getting a Cinemax subscription....

 

Wow.

 

On the subject of the original post: https://www.monitor.co.ug/uganda/news/national/mps-want-answers-on-expired-courses-4245108

The result is that students in other countries are being rejected for further study. It seems initially the blame was focused on the universities for not submitting their programs for re-accreditaiton, while the universities blame NCHE for not re-accrediting them within a timely fashion. It sounds like one option may be to simply grant all expired programs a one year re-approval and then figure out how NCHE can speed up re-accreditation.

 

That is interesting from a psychological point of view.

I won't continue to belabor the issue but do you not see some similarities between your own perspective and the Taliban? Thankfully you don't represent the majority of Christians, nor the majority of conservative Christians I have known, nor the Christ of scripture.

 

I suppose that, given our licentious age, it is easy for someone like yourself to confuse a rigorous biblical morality with the Taliban.