You want to own a Deac accredited school?

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  1. AsianStew

    AsianStew Active Member

    Has there been more feedback on this? Anyone want to pool in on something slightly different? Starting a school.... What I was thinking, to create an alliance with other smaller private/public schools that grant Certs, Dips & Degs. These can be just state approved schools, up to other nationally approved schools, or just ACE/NCCRS recommended.

    Why? This new school I want to start is just another Big 3, but will cater to the people who have completed some unrecognized credit elsewhere that can't be easily transferable to a Regionally Accredited school. It would be similar to UOP (University of the People) or NationsUniversity, but the difference is they don't take courses at my school. I want to be more of what the others do, but grant degrees through 100% transfer from other sources.

    Target market would be people from other nations such as Australia, Canada, U.K, including the US, etc. Many of them have completed school at smaller lesser known institutions with say, an arts diploma or bible studies diploma or trade such as heavy duty mechanics diploma. It may not transfer anywhere, but they would like to get credit for it and ladder it to a Bachelors.

    A program we can offer would be like Athabasca Univ. A bachelors of general studies, 90 credits all done elsewhere. They take additional courses from partner institutions and pay me the app fee, grad/residency fee for completing them. But I want to add value for it, so they can at least have a more recognized degree such as partnering with other universities.

    Another option is to offer Bachelors degrees with a concentration or major (120 credits) and this will require articulation with another school say, Ashworth or Penn Foster, or a different college that grant degrees and those courses are at least ACE or NCCRS recommended, or the school is nationally accredited. This way, students can further their education if they decide to get into a Masters Degree from a Regionally Accredited school that accepts Nationally accredited Bachelors.

    The school will be a non profit organization, but I can see huge potential for this. There are so many illegal aliens, people who have perm residence, or even citizens not only in America that would like a chance at education, for further learning but are limited to shady schools. Read this from an earlier thread and this article and many others in regards to illegal aliens studying at UOP.
    Online university provides free college for illegal immigrants
  2. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Wild, because I've had this idea for awhile. The biggest problem I've had trouble trying to understand how to chop down is state approval. Not offering any actual courses and issuing degrees is not going to be an easy task to get state approval for. As for accreditation, I can't see it happening. On the other hand, ASIC would probably accredit it...
  3. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    Well, should I ever figure out how to become a corporate takeover artist, there are some DETC schools I might like to take over.
  4. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I'd take over New Charter, change that awful name, and then turn it into a hybrid with competency-based courses & test-out options.
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Well, here's some help, Ted.

    (1) Biographies of two of the best: John D. Rockefeller Sr. and Carl Icahn
    (2) A couple of free websites with basic info.
    (3) A bunch more books - I know your penchant for reading lists

    Titan: The Life of John D. Rockefeller, Sr. - Ron Chernow
    King Icahn: The Biography of a Renegade Capitalist - Mark Stevens, Carol Bloom Stevens

    The Hostile Takeover - AccountingTools
    Takeovers and Leveraged Buyouts, by Gregg A. Jarrell: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

    Takeovers, Restructuring, and Corporate Governance - Weston, Mulherin, Mitchell
    A Giant Cow-Tipping by Savages: The Boom, Bust and Boom Culture of M&A. - John Weir Close
    Dethroning the King: The Hostile Takeover of Anheuser-Busch - Julie MacIntosh
    Barbarians at the Gate: The Fall of RJR Nabisco - Bryan Burrough and John Helyar
    Modern Empirical Developments in Corporate Takeovers - B. Espen Eckbo
    Corporate Valuation and Takeover - Robert Alan Hill
    Corporate Takeover Targets: Acquisition Probability - Hicham Meghouar
    Mergers and Acquisitions from A to Z - Andrew J. Sherman
    The First Billion Is the Hardest - T. Boone Pickens

    Good luck with your new career as a Corporate Raider, Ted. If Harrison Middleton U. is on your takeover list, and you become the new owner, I shall expect a VERY good deal on studies there, as a reward. :smile:

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  6. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    Isn't New Charter University the old Andrew Jackson University?
  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It is. Maybe it should have been renamed Harriet Tubman University. :wink:
  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yes - as Steve has already confirmed. Speaking of DEAC schools with odd name-changes, there's my aforementioned old favourite (the school, not the name) Harrison Middleton University. I liked the old name much better: College of the Humanities and Sciences. Maybe when Ted gets his Corporate Takeover career going, he can acquire it and I can persuade him to change the name back again - but no fiddling with the curriculum, please. :shock:

    I really like that school. Guess you can tell. :smile:

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  9. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    You know what? That actually would be awesome.
  10. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    Actually, even more appropriate would be a name change frtom Andrew Jackson University to John Ross University.
  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Perhaps a well-timed idea, Ted. From the Wiki on Chief John Ross:

    "National Public Radio correspondent Steve Inskeep has suggest that the US $20 bill be modified to carry images of both John Ross and Andrew Jackson, "illustrating our democratic experience."

  12. rodmc

    rodmc Member

    The DEAC college that was for sale did sell. The college was/is under a show cause order Don't know what it sold for, but who needs the problems of show cause? You could start your own DEAC school for 1m.
  13. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I agree. If you're in things for the long term or even medium term, then you could be applying for accreditation with a fresh institution in two year's time.
  14. AsianStew

    AsianStew Active Member

    Isn't there an option for schools to have credit by exams, block transfers, transfer credit by ACE/NCCRS or other NA/RA recognized courses? Such schools exists in the names of Charter Oak, Excelsior College, Thomas Edison, and several other Competency Based Degree. I'd like to create a school exactly as that, but offering very less courses. Maybe just offer a capstone/cornerstone for grad, GPA/residency requirements.

    What I mean is to start a school with the following for example:
    To start off, I will create certificates (30 credits) and diplomas (60 credits)
    And then move into Associates, Bachelors and end at Masters.
    So, where do they get the credits? Using the options available for transfer that's ACE/NCCRS or NA/RA, or equivalency exams.

    A typical certificate would be say, a certificate in Mathematics/Statistics - 27 credits from ALEKS, 3 from Saylor Academy
    A certificate in applied sciences, 30 credits from Saylor Academy and Straigtherline/
    Diploma in applied sciences or business, 60 credits from ALEKS, Saylor, Straighterline, and Penn Foster
    Associates and Bachelors degrees can be taken this way as well, as long as it's evenly placed out for course requirements.

    Because there are upper level courses evaluated/transcribed at other schools, I will be able do the same and have those as UL. If people would like to do exams, they can AP/IB, CLEP/DSST, UEXCEL/TECEP & other CBE's, those credits into the degree requirement. Students will just pay fees for an application, an evaluation, transfer of credits, graduation and capstone/cornerstone fees. Essentially, this doesn't require a course from the institution, it just requires prospects to complete elsewhere and transfer them in.

    This should work for competency based programs as well, essentially, you can be creating exams similar to CSU CBE or WGU's courses. It just shows that the student themselves are competent in whichever course they would like to have credit in. That goes for PLA as well. And there you have it, a school completely available for disadvantaged people. I would really like this as a non profit so it can rival UOP/NU.

    Update: My question is, which NA or RA accreditation agency will go for this? If none, start in Canada and partner up by creating a consortium.
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  15. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    NA: DEAC, and probably only them.

    RA: Whichever one covers the state or territory where you set up your institution. If you're flexible on that, then HLC (North Central) used to be known as the go to regional accreditor for experimental institutions, but lately it's seemed like they're more reluctant and WASC may be the most approachable.

    Canada doesn't seem all that friendly toward experimental institutions. If you're thinking of going international, there are plenty of countries where a private institution can pretty much do anything they want, like Iceland, Denmark, Belgium, or some of the cantons in Switzerland (like Zug).
  16. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    So, you want to create a university that doesn't actually provide any education at all.
  17. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It sounds more like he wants to provide assessment but not instruction. Globally speaking, this isn't radical. And one can complete degrees through the Big Three exactly as how he's describing, so it's not unprecedented in the U.S. either.
  18. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Yes, exactly. He wants to recreate TESU. OK, go ahead. I'm not sure that there's a need but at the same time, if you can make it work then, why not? While you're at it you can create a new automobile company that builds gasoline based internal combustion engines.(sour attitude today, sorry)
  19. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Not really. TESU offers a lot of courses. They offer dozens of degrees that can be completed solely by taking TESU courses. Also, most TESU students do not complete the majority of their degrees by assessment. I don't know if this is accurate, but I heard that Excelsior used to offer very few courses and mainly focused on its own challenge exams. What AsianStew is proposes sounds more like that.
  20. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator Staff Member

    TESU isn't what it used to be. Back in the day, you could transfer in 120 credits in the right distribution, and bang, you had a Bachelor's degree. Now, all the programs I've seen require a capstone project through TESU, so it's no longer that simple.

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