York University

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  1. Migara

    Migara member

  2. jackrussell

    jackrussell Member

  3. sentinel

    sentinel New Member

    York University, USA, does not appear to be an accredited institution of post-secondary education. Read the About section on their web site. The schools claims to be working towards recognition and accreditation. At this time, unless you are studying for strictly personal interest, this school should probably be avoided.

    On a another note, Sensei Abner might be interested in their PhD in Martial Arts.
     
  4. Migara

    Migara member

  5. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Ostensibly, they're located in Woodland Hills, California. They're "accredited" by three unrecognized "accreditors." Nut I guess I better hurry up and get their MBA in Casino Management so I can get the contract for one of four casinos that'll be coming to Ohio whenever they finally pass that legalized gambling issue that keeps coming up on the ballot every election. ;)
     
  6. Woho

    Woho New Member

    There is a York College in the Cuny system but this is probably not that relevant to the initial question ;)
    www.york.cuny.edu
     
  7. emmzee

    emmzee New Member

    As noted, there's York University in Canada (www.yorku.ca) and York College (www.york.cuny.edu) and also University of York in the UK (www.york.ac.uk), all of which are accredited institutions ... this yorkuniversity.us has no connection to any of these and is unaccredited ... they are likely trying to confuse people by having the same or similar name to the above schools. Stay away!
     
  8. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    You have or haven't found what on Degreeinfo?

    Why do you make so many posts inquiring about what appear to be degree-mills? What's wrong with credible universities?

    Regarding this particular 'York University' --

    I live in California, follow higher education, and I've have never heard of it. It's never appeared on any lists of legitimate universities that I've seen. Given the current lack of regulation, ANY mystery school boasting an address in this state has to be considered a presumptive confidence-game until demonstrated otherwise.

    Its name appears chosen to create confusion with the legitimate York Universities in England and Canada.

    Whois shows that the url was registered in 2006 with an anonymous website registrar in Alabama. York was apparently using an address in Mobile until AL recently strengthened its post-secondary school licensing laws.

    Google indicates that its general application form includes this reassuring legal disclaimer above the applicant's signature line:

    The Los Angeles address that it currently boasts looks like it's most likely a residence.

    My guess is that it isn't being run from inside the United States at all, and that the token AL and LA addresses have simply allowed it to claim US degree-granting powers that it then distributes to its international "affiliates".

    http://yorkuniversity.us/affiliated_campuses.asp

    http://yorkuniversity.us/oncampus_programs.asp

    It's offering PhD programs in some 28 different majors, including subjects like architecture and mechanical engineering where incompetents can do tremendous harm.

    http://www.yorkuniversity.us/phd.asp

    How is it a purportedly "American university" can appear overnight with nobody this side of Auckland even noticing, then blithely move thousands of miles to a new address when the legal winds suddenly shift? How can this thing offer what it claims are doctoral degrees in so many subjects right out of the gate, while it takes years of tremendous effort to gradually build a credible research university like UC Merced.
     
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  9. Malajac

    Malajac Member


    With all due respect to the poster BillDayson, your reaction is not justified. It took me months to learn to distinguish quickly between accredited and unaccredited schools, and between different types of accreditation. The OP might simply be trying to google affordable / cheap institutions.

    As for the OP inquiring about degree-mills, there are at least two examples where this is not true:

    1) Ukrainian IUBL seems to be a legitimate institution.
    2) London School of Business and Finance does not seem to be a degree-granting institution, but it does appear to be a legitimate educational provider associated (as a learning center) with Grenoble école de management

    http://www.grenoble-em.com/355-master-in-international-business-mib-2.aspx
     
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  10. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    This York University has neither regional or national (DETC) accreditation. However their website does say it is a prestigious international academic institution :eek:
    Avoid it.
     
  11. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    Hi Migara,
    I read your many posts but I don't recall what degree and academic area you are looking for. If you spell that out (or remind us) then I'm sure you will get some constructive feedback.
    Ian
     
  12. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    malajac: "With all due respect to the poster BillDayson, your reaction is not justified. It took me months to learn to distinguish quickly between accredited and unaccredited schools, and between different types of accreditation.

    John: That's very clear. Now that you have learned, do you consider York a properly accredited university?

    Thank you.

    John
     
  13. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    I was just looking at London Guildhall College, one of the "affiliate campuses" listed on the "York University" website.

    http://yorkuniversity.us/affiliated_campuses.asp

    My first impression is that it looks reasonably credible to me, offering several degree programs awarded by legitimate British universities and a number of post-secondary professional non-degree courses, HNDs and the like.

    http://www.gclondon.org.uk

    On the other hand, I didn't see it included among the British 'listed bodies'

    http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/recognisedukdegrees/index.cfm?fuseaction=institutes.list&InstituteCategoryID=2

    Oddly, it seems that the London School of Osteopathy (validated by Anglia Ruskin University) occupies precisely the same street address occupied by Guildhall College. There's apparently also a textile firm using the same address, and likely more things as well. I'm assuming that it's a substantial building and that these validated schools lease space there and don't boast very extensive facilities.

    http://www.anglia.ac.uk/ruskin/en/home/your_university/collaborative_partners/osteopathy.html

    Here's what LGC says are its affiliates -

    http://www.gclondon.org.uk/affiliations.php

    Those that I recognized seem reputable enough. York University isn't listed among them. (Not even the well-regarded British one.)

    A Google search for the name "York University" on the gclondon.org.uk website produced no hits.

    But... a Google search for any website containing both "guildhall college" and "york university" produced a bunch of hits. Most of these seem to be irrelevant, lists of British higher education institutions and similar things.

    Interestingly and perhaps significantly though, the two names also occur together quite a bit on Vietnamese websites. Conceivably that's where this particular supposed affiliation is being marketed.
     
  14. Malajac

    Malajac Member



    From what I can see, none of their "accreditors" are recognized accreditation agencies in the US, regional or national.

    http://yorkuniversity.us/accreditation.asp

    Whether they in fact have some dual-degree arrangement with a legitimate university outside the US, I do not know for certain, but I doubt it.

    Certainly association (if real) with an entity in the UK that uses (or used) an .ac domain (Ascension Island top-level domain, not ac as in academic i.e. .ac.uk) does not inspire much confidence.
     
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  15. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    The International Commission for Higher Education certainly has an impressive membership.

    http://www.icfhe.org/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=2&Itemid=7

    Ameritech University
    Panama City

    APEC University
    Principato Di Seborga

    Bircham International University
    Madrid

    Breyer State University
    Birmingham, AL

    British Royal Academy
    Jeddah Saudi Arabia, Cairo Egypt and Kuala Lumpur Malaysia

    Bronte International University
    British Virgin Islands

    Colegio Biblico y Teologico Ebenezer Inc
    Puerto Rico

    European Management University International

    Fort Young University
    Roseau, Dominica

    Lacrosse University
    Bay St. Louis, Mississippi

    North America College

    North American Liberty Party

    PanAmerica University
    Panama City

    Pebble Hills University

    Standford Online University
    Bradenton, FL

    Washington American Global University
    Wilmington DE

    World Scientific Association
    San Francisco

    Worldwide Campus
    Hong Kong

    York University
    Mobile, Alabama

    That's just what they acknowledge on their website. The International University for Fundamental Studies in St. Petersburg Russia (IUFS) is proudly displaying the ICFHE logo as well -

    http://www.iufs.edu/Accreditation-Members.htm
     
  16. Migara

    Migara member

    I am not here on Degreeinfo to market/advertise any unaccredited institutions. In my spare time, I do search for different schools on the net, and If and when I find them i post with degreeinfo. Isn’t the purpose of degreeinfo, ask, share and list many possible entities be it: good, ugly or otherwise?

    If you look at my post in the past, I think I had no postings for since September 08.
    My posting for this year are: IUBL, PhD Institution, London School of Business and Finance, and York University. If I can’t find any info either on the internet or degreeinfo, I do post hoping vast respected member will share their thoughts.

    Unknowingly I got caught up few years ago, where I completed a degree at Fairfax University and Rushmore. I admit that…
    Since then I do Hold: Graduate Diploma in Business with Major in Finance and Bachelor of Business in Finance and Accounting from Massey university. Masters from University of Southern Queensland and currently pursuing my PhD in Finance at Stellenbosch University in Corporate Finance.

    If Billy Dayson thinks that I am here to market unaccredited institutions, then he shouldn’t be on this respects site.
     
  17. Migara

    Migara member

    I meant to say Respected site....
     
  18. Chip

    Chip Administrator

    Bill is one of our original posters, dating back all the way to our beginnings and before that to the newsgroup from which degreeinfo got it's start. His information and advice is among the very best you'll find. So making statements that impugn his reputation will not win you many points.

    Yes, we do want information about all programs to be shared here at degreeinfo, but you must also understand that we do have people that show up all the time shilling for various fraudulent or otherwise unwonderful schools, so his concern is justified.

    As for the York University based in California, I think we can state pretty much without qualification that the school is a mill based solely on the worthless WAUC accreditation. Since WAUC was proven to do no site visits or other investigation of the schools it accredits, we can safely say they have no quality standards. The only reason a school would seek WAUC accreditation is if they wanted to deceive prospective students.

    Oh, and I don't know for sure, but I'd be willing to wager that the ICFHE is probably using the old "quality by association" trick of granting membership to a bunch of legit schools that have neither asked for, nor want, membership in their organization, and then using the legit-sounding schools as "cover" so the fraudulent schools are seen in good company.
     
  19. Chip

    Chip Administrator

    Oh, and did anyone notice the link at the very bottom of the York University (California) website?

    It leads here

    Why a Los Angeles-based university would have their website designed and maintained by a Turkish company seems at least a little bit odd...
     
  20. Malajac

    Malajac Member



    Interesting. The website itself shows at least two varieties of written English, a native-speaker academic-sounding one, and then there is the other one...

    Some of the native-speaker sounding portions of the site are identical (word for word) to portions of at least two other sites. I won't post the links here so as to avoid advertising potentially un-wonderful entities, but as an example you might try googling the text below:

    http://www.yorkuniversity.us/phd.asp

    "The Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) degree is a terminal degree reflecting independent mastery of a specialized field of knowledge, and the successful pursuit of original research. The PhD effort requires academic discipline together with a significant commitment of time and effort. It involves highly focused study in a particular area of interest culminating in an original research effort which adds to the general body of knowledge in the field."
     
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