Women shouldn't have the right to vote, says ‘alt-right’ leader richard spencer

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  1. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    You might want to scroll back up to post #22 and actually read through the articles. One statement from Trump, made under pressure, doesn't balance everything off.
    No one is making things up.
     
  2. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    You might want to click the link I posted and actually watch the video. (and just as a side note, it only scratches the surface of all the many, many times Trump has made similar statements)

    But, ok, I'll bite and do it anyway. From the first link

    No he hasn't. That is a DELIBERATELY false statement, containing 2 egregiously false accusations, both of which are easy to debunk by anyone who puts truth over agenda or ideology. Now I'll be something that that writer isn't- I'll be honest. I'll admit that after reading that sentence, right at the beginning of the first article linked in post 22, that I lost all motivation to waste my time reading anything else in the article or any of the other links. Maybe there's an ounce of truth in there somewhere, but it would have only been in there by accident because clearly truth was not the writer's intent.

    You're making up the claim that it was "one statement from Trump, made under pressure". That is not even remotely true. Not. Even. Remotely.
     
  3. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I keep telling myself to stop talking about anything related to politics. I'm apolitical- basically, a conscientious objector to the political process. I just hate being lied to, and am extremely disillusioned at the unconscionable, blatant dearth of scruples in "news" reporting.

    "Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining!" - Judy Sheindlin
     
  4. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Oh gee, and why is he keep being asked that? mystery!
    Oh come on man; I studied mathematical logic, and even I find being THIS literal obnoxious.
     
  5. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    THIS is false statement, and "they send rapists" is not, and does not have racial connotations. Are you a robot?
    ...and the travel thing was, and still is, a Muslim ban. Crappy one, but still.
     
  6. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    "I can't decide if I have something to disagree with the guy who wants an ethnostate for white people; I need more information."

    THIS is why electing Trump a horrendous idea. He spreads thinking like this one.
     
  7. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    "When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

    Not talking about native born Mexican Americans, not talking about legal Mexican immigrants, not talking about ethnic Mexicans as a whole. No claim is made that Mexicans are worse than any other ethnic group. No generalization is made about an entire people. None.

    If you want to criticize Trump for making what you believe to be a factually incorrect statement about illegal immigrants, that is one thing, but even then you'd have a hard time finding statistics that are reliable enough to make the case. Unless you are going to make the absurd claim that there are no illegal Mexican immigrants that are rapists, or you, personally, think that Mexico's "best" are still rapists, then there is no possible way to look at this entire statement, in context, without misquoting or misrepresenting it, and leave with the conclusion that Trump was casting aspersions on Mexican people.

    Personal attack. What a surprise. You're a 2-trick pony, and no, my saying that is not a retaliatory personal attack, it is an observation. 1) You shift the subject so wildly that it muddies the water, making it difficult to directly address anything you are saying and 2) you sprinkle ad hominem to distract from your complete lack of substance. You do this all the time and it's pretty tiresome, tbh. What you don't seem to understand is that you have yet to confuse me with your smoke and mirrors and have no power to offend me, so you're accomplishing nothing except for making your case look weaker by doing this.

    None of the most populous Muslim countries were banned. Why not? Oh that's right, because it was NOT a Muslim ban. It was a travel ban to and from specific areas of the world where there is significant logistical threat to individual and national security.

    Travel to North Korea is also banned. I guess that's an Asian ban? Or is it an atheist ban? I'm curious to know how that one should be properly spun. I'm waiting on CNN to tell me.
     
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  8. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Did Trump have any factual basis for this statement? No he did not. He just demonized a group of people chosen by a formal criteria - the one that happen to consist 100% of people from Mexico. Don't tell me that this is not smear by association on all Mexican people. And all immigrants, btw - legal and illegal, so indirect swipe at me as well.

    Conservative Party here did the same with "abusers of Canadian generosity" and "barbaric practices" - but to Canadian people's (who are on the whole overrated on this, btw) credit this rhetoric, although polled well, backfired spectacularly during general elections. And Harperites did not order RCMP and CSIS to come up with horror stories about immigrants, and kept running a huge pandering campaign to ethnic communities (including Ukrainians).


    Dude, it was because they did not come up with an excuse for banning "the most populous Muslim countries" that could be pinned on Obama. They took two different lists complied for different reasons and said "see, Obama chose the countries for the travel ban".

    This one is so transparent it's invisible. Trump asked for a way to fulfill his promise of a "Muslim ban" that would be defensible, and fast; the boneheaded thing was not a result. It's a Muslim ban, but fake one - like most things Trump.

    Bwahahahaha! They banned North Korea - a country that freakin' BANS THEIR OWN CITIZENS' TRAVEL. This affects all of, like, four people a year. For all conceivable purposes there is no travel from North Korea to ban. N. Korea's ban is completely meaningless, other than as a legal fiction to be able to claim the whole thing is "not a Muslim ban". Apparently the trick works.
     
  9. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    And this is precious:
    Are you trying to say that it's OK to slander groups of people without "statistics that are reliable enough", but not OK to criticize people for it? You might want to rethink this one.
     
  10. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Wow. Poe's law in full effect here, and you go back to the same transparent, intentionally meandering games that I JUST got finished calling you out for.

    My policy from now on is to just ignore you.
     
  11. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    University chief: Security cost for Spencer speech 'unfair' - ABC News

    "Fuchs estimates the school will spend $600,000 on security for Spencer's planned speech Thursday. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the government, in this case a public university, cannot charge speakers for security costs."
     
  12. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    I watch CNN for very specific things, one of which being they have more extensive coverage of ongoing incidents. During the Ferguson riots, they stayed live 24/7, which suited my night owl lifestyle, so I watched them after the other networks signed off.

    But as far as watching CNN regularly, no, especially since the election. Their coverage of Charlottesville quickly turned into a "Blame Trump" fest, so I saw no need to be exposed to the leftist propaganda trash they try to pass off as news.
     
  13. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    This is, of course, your right. On my part, I was also surprised to see "but North Korea" argument about a travel ban "in the wild", so we manage to widen each other' horizons. Bye!
     

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