Women shouldn't have the right to vote, says ‘alt-right’ leader richard spencer

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  1. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

  2. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Abner, by your definition, are Muslims alt.right?

    Full story:
    Islamic Law restricts women's' rights
     
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  3. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    me again calls it the "Full Story" when in reality, it's a completely different story. Deflecting from the original story to, what, protect Richard Spencer? me again, are you a Richard Spencer fan? Why are you protecting him?
     
  4. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Kizmet, was the wrong link provided?

    Kizmet, do you want entire stories to be copy-and-pasted into this forum, in lieu of just excerpts?

    Kizmet, providing excerpts with links allows readers to go directly to a story to read it in its entirety -- without violating copyright laws.

    Kizmet, who is Richard Spencer?
     
  5. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    Exactly.

    I'm probably the only participant on Degreeinfo who has identified himself as 'alt.right'. I voted for Trump and associate with Trump supporters.

    In those circles I have never heard the name Richard Spencer mentioned. Not once. The only time I see that name is in text written by left-leaning Democrats on the internet. Supposedly this guy, whoever he is, speaks for me, for everyone who voted for Trump, and for all of the voters who are alienated from the Wall-Street/big-business Republicanism of the Bush-dynasty and the Republican establishment.

    I think that it's an attempt to turn political opponents into easily dismissed caricatures.
     
  6. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

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  7. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    At least in the case of Richard Spencer, he IS an easily dismissed caricature.

    The obvious solution to the Richard Spencer problem is to do just that- dismiss him. :wave:
     
  8. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    No one said anything about Trump. Why are you bringing him into this?
     
  9. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Kizmet, heirophant is logically noting how the alt.left (and the DNC platform) are desperately and incorrectly correlating Richard Spencer, skinheads and racists with Republicanism -- by lumping it all together as "alt.right." It is a DNC political strategy to demonize and to label anti-Marxist opinions as being in the collective body of alt.right. It is similar to antifa claiming to be against Nazism when, in fact, antifa uses Nazi brown shirt tactics (although antifa wears all black, just like the SS).

    Analogy:
    1. Antifa claims to be against Nazism, while Antifa uses Nazi tactics.
    2. Antifa is Nazism.
    3. Antifa is paid-for and motivated by the alt.left.
    4. Marxism has infiltrated and now dominates the DNC platform.
     
  10. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Islamic restrictions of womens' rights

    The Islamic ideology of restricting womens' rights does not fit into the rigid DNC definition of alt.right'ism.
     
  11. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    I have to offer me again an apology because he was right and I was wrong. I couldn't figure out why, in a thread about Richard Spencer, he kept bringing up Trump and all his alt.right buddies. Well, the reason is just simple. It's because they're all connected. Richard Spencer loves Donald Trump. I'd like to peek at that list of campaign donors. I'd even like to peek at that Mar A Lago guest list. Why I'd be willing to bet that they even buy their sheets at the same place.

    Smooth-talking Spencer rebrands white nationalism - News - Gainesville Sun - Gainesville, FL
     
  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That's probably true. On the other hand, so it taking a protest against police brutality and restyling it as "anti-military" or "unpatriotic", and an awful lot of people are doing that.
     
  13. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    Because this is supposed to be about the alternative-right (alt.right).

    I take that to be the movement that energized tens of millions of voters whose priorities and concerns are very different from (and alternative to) the Republican establishment in Wall Street investment banks, the Bush-dynasty, Carl Rove, Marco Rubio and among Washington DC congressional offices and lobbyists. The alternative right are the people who unexpectedly elected Donald Trump despite the almost universal opposition of not only the Democratic media, celebrities and academia, but also establishment Republicans as well. The alternative right consists of the populist eruption on the right whose biggest concerns aren't anything like establishment Republicanism's obsession with lowering taxes on the rich.

    As long as people just stick to all the familiar stereotypes, they will never begin to understand the big political changes underway all around them, not just in the United States but internationally. One has to be able to perceive alternative points of view on both the right and the left, without reducing them to caricatures.

    Imagining that the disaffection of tens of millions of American voters from establishment Republicanism is all being guided by somebody named 'Richard Spencer' is just foolishness.
     
  14. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    I don't think that Spencer is some mastermind of the alt.right who is pulling strings to make this all happen. I think he's a twisted evil disease who has jumped on the bandwagon and hopes to ride it into some elevated level of credibility and power. Here's the thing, all your alt.right buddies like Trump and Bannon, etc. are letting him do it. " Sure, jump on board. We can use the numbers." Personally I think that Trump has some very strong racist beliefs. I can go back and create a list if your really want me to but frankly, it's just going to make him look really bad so maybe you don't want to force that issue. Trump and Co. are accepting all members. They'll take anyone. Racists, homophobes, Russians and some simple money-laundering criminals. How many months can go by without any significant legislation being passed before people start to realize that Trump has no agenda except to power grab and add to his fortune. Once people see that he's completely unable to push forward any part of the promises he made during his campaign they will change their view. Some people might be willing to overlook all the racist stuff (just one example) if he delivers on his promises but once it becomes clear that he can't, AND that he really doesn't care very much, people will start to drop away. Already his approval rating is down to 32%. He doesn't care about me or you or anyone other than his family and his billionaire buddies. It will take one of me again's miracles for him to survive his first term.
     
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  15. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    I wouldn't force that issue but do request your list.
     
  16. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    MSM poll number rising? LOL

    That's higher than his MSM pre-election polls -- and yet he won. What gives?
     
  17. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    While I'm compiling a short list you can start here. It's in the paper every freaking day. Something you'd know if you paid any attention.

    https://www.nytimes.com/
     
  18. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    What gives is the fact that if his poll numbers (we know how accurate polls are) are less than the percentage of the country that actually voted for him, it's probably because people who voted for him are disappointed by his seeming inability to get control of the swamp, the entrenched career bureaucrats (mostly Democrats, but establishment Republicans too) who infest every federal executive branch agency. Many of his voters would like to see him be stronger than he's shown himself to be and maybe break a few heads when the "deep state" tries to 'resist'.

    If only 32% of voters think that he's doing a good job, that doesn't mean that the other 68% are ready to vote Democrat without any work being done by the Democrats. Many voters who are expressing dissatisfaction are more loyal to the agenda Trump enunciated than they are to Trump the man. If Trump seems unable to realize his own agenda, then the populist alt.right tendency in the Republican party might conceivably back a challenger to Trump in the 2020 Republican presidential primaries in much the way that Trump himself challenged Jeb! and Marco (the establishment Republican favorites).

    That doesn't mean that they will vote for a Democratic party social-justice-warrior in the general election if Trump is renominated. They would still favor Trump over almost any conceivable Democratic candidate because, flawed as he is, Trump better reflects the reasons they voted for him the first time.

    I still think that some Trump voters in the struggling white middle class could still be persuaded to vote Democratic. Some of them are ancestral union Democrats. A few Democrats recognize the opportunity, but it's unlikely that they can find much traction in the party as it currently stands, hardened into angry intransigence by Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    The point I'm making is that if the Democrats want to exploit Trump's relatively low poll numbers and make those numbers work for their party, then they need to make an effort to try to understand why voters voted for Trump the first time. They need to speak respectfully to those voters, to those issues and to those concerns. They need to reach out. Currently, they show no interest in doing that. The Democrats' attitude seems to be incessant moral posturing and anger, all the time.
     
  19. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    That is true, but it's a dichotomy because the morality that they preach is unholy. Without getting into the overarching debate of what is moral and what is immoral, only one point will be made: legalized and state sanctioned feticide, euthanasia and concentration camps are are all morally wrong -- and are completely unacceptable. There are many Christians who cannot and will never vote for it, but remarkably, it remains a main pillar of the DNC platform -- or at least part of it is.
     
  20. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    Do you have something more specific than the front page?
     

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