Woman obsessed with 'body modification' tattoos eyeballs blue

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  1. FTFaculty

    FTFaculty Well-Known Member

    One cannot say exactly what's going through her mind, but when you start going for pointy ears, you are a human, not a vulcan, rat or bat. I feel very justified in saying that whatever is going on, it's not particularly healthy. Not all judgments are wrongly judgmental.
     
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  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I wouldn't do this personally, but "unhealthy" is a bridge too far for me. Perhaps I'm a bigger fan of distance learning than I am of distance judgment.
     
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  3. FTFaculty

    FTFaculty Well-Known Member

    I make judgments every day. You make judgments. We all make judgments. The decision to not be what one individual reckons to be "judgmental" is itself a judgment. I do not understand this postmodern notion that judging something to be right or wrong, healthy or unhealthy, good or evil, is somehow wrong-headed. This philosophy collapses upon itself, because claiming or implying that it's wrong to make judgments and right to refuse to make them is itself a judgment. It's turtles all the way down.

    I am quite comfortable with my judgment that tattooing one's eyeballs blue and surgically altering one's body to have pointy vulcan ears is unhealthy. Call me crazy, call me 19th century backwards--but of course, that, too, would be a judgment.
     
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  4. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    I think that a lot of the motive for tattoos among the young-and-rebellious 20-somethings is alienation from what they perceive as adult life (and its demands). Highly visible tattoos, especially facial tattoos, kind of guarantee lifelong permanent-outsider status. (It's why facial tattoos have been so popular with the MS-13 gang. When they get them, members are kind of dedicating the rest of their life to the gang. It's very hard to go back.)

    The problem is that as these kids mature, they will want to do other things with their lives and won't always want to be outsiders.

    It's almost certain to become a "social justice" issue in the future (you heard it here first) as people with extreme body modifications complain that they are being stared at. There will be complaints that they aren't being selected for responsible career positions, for public contact jobs or being fully accepted by the public as competent professionals. The SJW's will gleefully jump on the bandwagon (transvestites will have gotten stale by that time) and there will be lots of deafening screeching about 'bias' and 'discrimination'.
     
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  5. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Calling someone crazy because they do something you wouldn't do is a values-based judgment that is designed to say that you are right and they are wrong, imposing a moral structure on something that has no moral components. Making such a "judgment" is unnecessary and unkind. You can say that the practice may be unhealthy and there may be some truth to that. If it's done with unclean tools/instruments in an unclean environment then there might be infection, etc. but this is essentially no different than someone who gets a nosejob, liposuction or a boobjob. Do you think those people are crazy? Unhealthy? How about a hair transplant? If it's not done properly then it might be unhealthy but how is it unhealthy otherwise?
     
  6. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    On what do you base this judgment?
     
  7. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    The people who attack other people for expressing value judgments are obviously making value judgments of their own. It's the epitome of hypocrisy.

    If we ignore the implicit self-contradiction and take the demand that we stop making judgments seriously, we will have thrown out truth, ethics and responsibility entirely.

    It's an exceedingly nihilistic position.
     
  8. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Tattooing your eyeballs is taking a huge health risk. If you want to risk going blind, then that's your right. Hopefully, my taxes won't go to your disability check.
     
  9. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    One woman who had an eyeball tattoo may have to have one of her eyes removed because of infection. Getting a tattoo in general can be painful, as it is the process of poking thousands of pigment filled ink on the the skin. I can't imagine why somebody would risk there eyes to a tattoo artists, as they are not medical professionals. I have tattoos, so I know first hand about the pain involved.
     
  10. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    The groundwork has already been set. The commom notion of "this is WHO I am" has been around since at least the 90's, and has been a recurring theme in tv, music, movies and even PSAs.

    At the risk of sounding judgemental :p, if "who you are" is blue hair and nipple rings, then "who you are," sadly, isn't much of anything.
     
  11. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Should have said "risk their eyes" Not there.
     
  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Well, in my defense, I did turn around and acknowledge in a different thread right afterwards that I was being kind of judgy and that in retrospect it's kind of hard not to be. But in this case, I still think it's a little much to assume ill mental health on the part of those who are simply very different.

    Okay, but now you're overplaying your hand a little. There's a continuum here, with a lot of room between Anything Goes and Handmaid's Tale.
     
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  13. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Yes, of course I'm making a judgement and yes we all do it all the time but I am not calling anyone's character or sanity into question. I'm merely saying they've made a mistake. Something else we all do every day. But you knew all that.
     
  14. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    So you're saying that a person is worthless because they dye their hair? Half the women in America dye their hair. And you're not sure if that makes you judgmental?
     
  15. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    I knew that spilling coffee onto the keyboard is a mistake and correctable. I knew that marrying the wrong person is a mistake and correctable. I know that tattooing ones eyeballs is nuts.
     
  16. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Sure, Cathy Newman, if that's what you want to believe I said, you can go ahead and ignore the words I actually used and imagine I said something completely different.
     
  17. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    My tattoos artist won't tattoo the face or neck depending on age. My nephew has a bunch of prison tats, and can't get a job because of it.
     
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  18. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Man cuts off nose to look like red skull:

     
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  19. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Direct quotation - "if "who you are" is blue hair and nipple rings, then "who you are," sadly, isn't much of anything." So you interpret it then. If someone dyes their hair blue and has some piercings then they are not much of anything. Help me with this MC. Tell me what you meant that's different from what I said.
     
  20. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I'm more interested in how that interpretation can be exrtracted from my words and am so lost trying to understand it that I'm unsure what to say to repair the miscommunication. Well, I'll try anyway.

    The question is bifold- that of 1) ownership of one's own actions and 2) that human character is potentially but not inherently substantive.

    "This is who I am!" is an absolutely pathetic excuse for circumventing responsibility for the personal decisions one makes.

    Among those decisions is the type of person one chooses to be- will you be a person of morals, values, greater purpose, or will you be a person of ego and superficialities?
     

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