Woman obsessed with 'body modification' tattoos eyeballs blue

or will you be a person who measures the value of another human being based solely upon their appearance?

 

I saw recently online a photo of a tattoo (I hope it was fake but it was presented as real) of nipples on a man's backside. Clever but I hope he never does anything prison worthy.

 

If I'd needed neurosurgery then I'd have been pleased to learn that Ben Carson was the surgeon.

However...

If when I met him I saw he'd tattooed his eyes blue then I'd have opted for a different surgeon.

And you?

 

The lady risked blinding herself, I read the article. That's different. Do you think it's mentally healthy to undergo searing pain and risk permanent blindness to tattoo your eyes blue? Is it a sign of mental soundness to have species dysphoria, and at great expense, pain and danger, to surgically have yourself altered to look like a dog, cat, horror movie monster, Hollywood-style demon or imagined alien from the planet Quasar? Is that healthy?

I dare say, Kizmet, that's a mite different from getting a hair transplant or gaining a couple cup sizes; you're comparing an apple and a Chevy pick up truck.

 

In my opinion it's fine to ask the question but it's not fine to answer it without knowing the person, at least a little bit. Personally, I would be curious to know more rather than close out the subject without even asking. I'd try to suspend my judgment until more information was available. That's not always easy to do but, in my opinion, it's the right thing to do.

 

In my opinion, it's a res ipsa loquitur situation. If someone starts playing around with their very species, denying that, there's something amiss; I don't believe one would need to befriend her and investigate to determine whether or not she's psychologically sound. It's not a sign of good mental health to undergo radical transformations that change your species into something real or imagined. She may otherwise be mentally sound, but in this particular area, she is not.

By the way, am not saying she's of lesser value because she has done this; I believe she's made in God's image and is of inestimable value. Am not talking about ultimate right or wrong here, either; that's way above my paygrade, and the God I follow, the one who spoke to Moses on Sinai, didn't make direct references to this issue.

 

I am very open minded on tattoos since I have some. But I have to admit that I agree with FTFaculty. People like the woman in question later complain at being stared at.

 

Steve - In Abner's defense, I've had that exact same conversation with a woman who was into body mods and she was very offended when people stared at her. I told her you do something unusual, that could be interpreted as against the norms of the culture, expect to get some pushback from that same culture. She didn't get it, she wanted to have her cake and eat it too. I'm an academic who married a (now former) academic and we had nine children, we did something really counter-cultural, certainly for academia, and we know that. Many colleagues see us at best as a curiosities, at worst as selfish people destroying the planet through overpopulation. But we don't get all huffy and offended when people stare at our large and noisy family or when they say things like "Uh, you can get pills that prevent that, dude." But Abner's right, there are some people like that who do counter-cultural things, then get DEEPLY offended when the culture notices this fact. You don't have to look far to find several examples of this phenomenon.

 

A few observations - the first is that FTF is clearly correct. There are people who will draw attention to themselves and then complain about getting so much attention. You don't even have to think about body modification for an example. Some people, women mostly, will show a lot of skin but then get angry if you look at them. In that situation I feel that it's ok to look but the line is drawn when someone, usually a man. is leering or makes rude comments or behaviors. More often though people are fine with being looked at or even being asked about their body art. I have 2 (still only 2) tattoos on my back and I get asked about them sometimes (usually they're not visible). I don't mind talking about them, what they are, what they mean, etc. Most people are like that if they are approached with simple curiosity and respect. Many people will ask these questions from a position of distain, in a rude manner or with an offensive tone. Not surprisingly, they will typically get a different sort of response. Beyond that I'd want to point out that there are a set of body modifications that are seen as normal, acceptable, etc. and yet you get the same range of reactions. Face lifts, nose jobs, boob jobs, tummy tucks, hair implants, etc. are commonly done (not to mention botox injections) and yet you're not supposed to ask about them. People will whisper "I think she's had a little work done" or somesuch and it's generally considered rude to ask too much about it. So there are double standards in operation here. So I'm just saying that people need to be careful about inconsistent use of these standards. - - - it's ok to have liposuction or a nose job but it's not ok to have too many piercings or tattoos. If you're against body modification then apply that standard evenly and if one person reacts poorly to being looked at then 1) make sure you're not leering or otherwise being rude and 2) don't then generalize and say that because one person reacted badly "they" all react badly.

 

...done to not stand out.

 

That's completely untrue. Most cosmetic surgery like that is pure vanity. People getting boob jobs and hair transplants "to not stand out?" That's a joke.

 

Thanks for the kudos, but I was just riding in Abner's wake, he said it first, I was just agreeing. : )

 

I could use a little more hair on top, but I'd rather use the money to pay for a new Titleist driver--though more likely, it'll go for a kid's ballet lessons, soccer camp, food, clothing, etc.

 

I hate to open yet another can of worms (actually, I don't mind doing so at all), but I have to admit that in reading the third page of this thread (which continues to grow for no godforsaken reason other than the nature of DI's denizens) I'm feeling like I'm reading a diatribe on the transgender issue. It has all the same elements - mutilation, becoming offended if noticed or looked at, denial, ad infinitum, ad nauseam . . .

Discuss. And enjoy. (Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!)

 

I try to young people not to tattoo their or neck. Some listen, some don't. Some tattoo artists refuse to tattoo the face.

 

Oops. I left out the tell.

 

Your hair style suits you well.