Where do you draw the line on degrees earned?

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by JoshD, Nov 10, 2023.

  1. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I think the real head scratcher for me was a lawyer I knew years ago who went to law school after getting his MD from a U.S. school. Somewhere along the way he picked up an MBA.

    There is a medico legal specialty for doctors and a med mal practice area for lawyers so I guess MD/JD is a thing but the MBA? Who ordered that?
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  2. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I've also run across DDS/MDs though they're not common.
  3. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Then there was Chief Dr. Swift Eagle...
  4. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    It's common among oral and maxillofacial surgeons. With more generalist intentions, Nova Southeastern has a dual DO/DMD program, and Case Western had a dual MD/DMD program until the 2010s.
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  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Archbishop Chief Dr Alexander Swift Eagle Justice? Again? This should do:


    He's in the DI search thing 12 times. I think I wrote about 8 of the entries. No more, please! Why has this -- luminary - garnered so much posthumous fame. I believe Chief Swift Eagle Justice died around 8 years ago.

    Someone revived this topic on the other forum a couple of weeks ago. Is there a "Swift Eagle Season?"
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  6. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I think I just never ceased to marvel at the magnitude of his self-aggrandizement!
  7. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I mean, why?

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    You need an MD to start your medical practice, an MBA (Management, Marketing, Accounting, Finance, Leadership, etc.) to manage your private practice, a JD...just incase you are being used for mal-practice. You also need a Ph.D. in IT for managing modern medical technologies. :D
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  9. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Well, what about a D.Min. for consoling the relatives when the patient dies?
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  10. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Actually, I think I'm the culprit in the Chief Swift Eagle Department. His memory should live forever!
  11. sideman

    sideman Well Known Member

    Whatever happened to, "A lawyer that represents himself, has a fool for a client"?
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  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    C'mon. Say it with me.... me-ga-lo-ma-ni-a. ..... Good job! :)
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  13. freeloader

    freeloader Member

    Oral Surgery is a multi-year residency after dental school. In the US, there are two models for oral surgery training, a relatively shorter residency that typically leads to the granting of a master’s degree in oral surgery and board eligibility or a relatively longer residency that includes granting of an MD along with board eligibility.

    As a for instance, the program at the University of Louisville is 6 years and grants the MD: https://louisville.edu/dentistry/residency/oralsurgery

    University of Minnesota is 4 years and grants only a post-grad certificate: https://dentistry.umn.edu/degrees-programs/graduate-specialty-and-advanced-education-programs/oral-maxillofacial-surgery

    University of Cincinnati offer the MD as an option to people pursuing their oral surgery residency: https://med.uc.edu/depart/surgery/residency-training/oral-and-maxillofacial-surgery
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  14. Grand Ma/Pa Moses

    Grand Ma/Pa Moses New Member

    Advance for purpose, not pedigree alone. Credentials signal commitment - too many signal over-commitment. So, realistically consider goals, but there's nothing wrong with lifelong learning.
  15. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    A member of clergy can also be a physician. Like St. Luke the Evangelist.
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  16. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Education can become an obsession like anything in life. Too many degrees actually will not attract employers but might deter them. I personally drop degrees in my CV so it can be more focused.
    In general, too many degrees from low ranked schools do not provide much value to your CV. It is better to have two or three (assuming a PhD) from good schools than 8 from non ranked or low ranked schools. Employers normally like to see focused CVs and degrees many times show the character and ambition of the person.
    I collect degrees, I recognize it but try not to show in my CV my degrees from CLEA, Isabel, etc or any online non ranked or just include them in a continuing education section as certificates.
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  17. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

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    But the insecure graduate would also feel insecure about having a doctorate from a low ranked school like Liberty. I rather an EdD from Harvard than a PhD from Liberty. In the academic circles, people respect more the institution than the designation of the degree in my experience. However, I agree that in general people feel that EdD, DBAs, DM or any non PhD doctorate is inferior. There as some schools that are renaming their applied doctorates as executive PhDs so people can still use the PhD designation.
    In general, for academic positions, the PhD designation is preferred so I can see an EdD trying to get the PhD just to qualify for a full time faculty position.
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  18. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Something I've been thinking about lately. Considering how fast the world is changing, is it even worthwhile to pursue multiple degrees at any given level (except in some limited circumstances, such as transitioning or advancing to a career that requires a specific degree for entry)? Wouldn't it be more prudent to focus on skills building, professional certificates and currently relevant certifications instead? Today's hot credentials might have already lost their luster before you even finish your current degree program.

    Separately, there's the age old question of education as career training vs education for intangible personal growth. I might be a more competent intellectual if I complete UMass' MA in Critical and Creative Thinking. However, is it worth the time, energy and monetary expense VS. "a buck fifty in late fees at the public library"? (Quote from Good Will Hunting).

    I'm happy to be engorging on so many freebies and cheapies that have been decorating my resume the last couple years, but overall I feel like I'm just not learning as much as I used to when I spent much more time independently studying as a proud autodidact. It's certainly not as much fun for me to study what I'm told to study rather than what I want to study.
  19. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    I think that the number and discipline of the degree matters much, much more than its ranking. Someone with 8 degrees in unrelated disciplines is going to get side eye no matter what schools they are from., and most people cannot tell you the relative ranking of schools. While they might recognize a few dozen schools there are nearly 4000 schools in the US and tens of thousands more around the world.

    I agree that employers want to see focused CVs and so listing a focused set of credentials is important. Since earning my first master's, I no longer list my Durham College diploma or certificate on my resume. I've earned a number of professional development certs that I no longer list either: training in tobacco cessation, suicide risk assessment and intervention, structured professional judgement (SPJ) tools like the SORAG and VRAG and a bunch of others. My diploma (evaluated as equivalent to an Associates in Social Work) and those certs are clinically useful but I'm not in a clinical role anymore so they fell off.
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  20. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Oops, here's a great example of my clinical knowledge eroding. I was trained in the administration and interpretation of the SAVRY and SARA which are both SPJ tools. The VRAG and SORAG are both examples of actuarial tools, which is the opposite category of assessment tool.

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