Where do you draw the line on degrees earned?

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  1. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    I would choose ANY doctorate from Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Cornell, etc over a PhD from Liberty. Absolutely!
     
  2. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    But an EdD from UC-Boulder may be looked at worse than a PhD from Liberty, despite UC-Boulder being much better ranked because the relative rankings outside of the top are hard to suss out.
     
  3. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Degrees are useful for a relatively short period of time. You are right, things change too fast. If I graduate with a computer science degree and don't use it, in 5 years that degree is no longer relevant and most likely will be hard to use for an entry level position. I can earn now a PhD in AI and be in demand but in 20 years maybe no longer in demand.

    Good point. If my EdD is from UCN (NIcaragua), maybe a good opportunity from an upgrade for something better. I wonder if this could become a trend, an upgrade for people with low ranked doctorates for a better one. Maybe Post PhD diplomas would be the next thing.
     
  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    How many is "too many"?
     
  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The information often has a short shelf-life. But the degree? No.
     
  6. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

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  7. RFValve

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    He has the EdD, so he might go for the Liberty PhD at some point.
    His Bachelors is recent so he still has time to get another 50 degrees. He has all the degrees from ENEB and Isabel.
     
  8. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    I see at least 4 unaccredited schools in there and one certificate mislabeled as an MBA which makes me doubt the rest of the list.
     
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  9. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Some of the not-so-awesome schools on that list that have been discussed on this site before.
     
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  10. Rich Douglas

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  11. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    You have seven, most people have one, I think your case qualifies as too many too. I also have seven (not counting CLEA, Isabel, etc) and this gave me enough for a teaching career but not so sure if it is worth the time, my salary is not that different that my salary as an engineer with only a masters degree in engineering. At some point, there is a saturation level where more education does not mean more money but maybe better life style and more job security.


    Maybe, but even if many are substandard, he has more than 60 degrees. Just the effort to read the material and go trough the multiple choice exams is a ridiculous amount of time.
    He has many good schools also listed like Monash University.
     
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  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    In order for something--anything--to be "too" much, there must be negative consequences. I've experienced none. Three of mine I consider superfluous, but they took nothing to earn and cost only a few hundred dollars (total). I've never run into a situation where having "too" many degrees was a problem. In what way is this "too" many?
     
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  14. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I think you've already hit the limit when you acknowledge that what you have is superfluous. That's what I think this thread is getting at - not that having "too many degrees" results in negative consequences, but that there comes a point where they're no longer helpful for a given purpose. There's the opportunity cost of what you could have done with your time instead and the diminished returns for each successive degree. At that point, it's just a hobby. Of course, there's nothing wrong with having a hobby, but that's not why people generally pursue education.

    I'd liken it to walking for exercise. There's no real limit to how many miles are too many miles, but you do reach a point where any additional miles are only marginally better for your mental and physical health. It's not a fixed point, and it's different for each person's body. However, if you walk 60 miles per week, you're likely walking for 3 hours a day and also likely not doing a healthy minimum of vigorous cardio, yoga and resistance training per week. Not to mention reading, hobbies and a social life. We only have so much time and energy.

    But if you like walking and just want to keep walking, it's not going to hurt you. Nor will piling on more degrees. It's definitely better than either not continuously challenging yourself, or doing other things that will hurt you mentally and physically.
     
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  15. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

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    Marge: Or you could take an adult education course.
    Homer: Oh, and how is "education" supposed to make me feel smarter? Besides, every time I learn something new, it pushes some old stuff out of my brain. Remember when I took that home wine-making course and I forgot how to drive?
    Marge: That's because you were drunk!
    Homer: And how.
     
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  16. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    It depends on the field. A computer science degree can become obsolete very fast. Try using a computer science degree after 10 years if you have no computer science experience, would anyone care after 10 years?
     
  17. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I think few are going to say anything negative but they will just not hire you. I have seen few times where people CVs with two PhDs were tossed out because people hiring thought there was something wrong with the candidate. Too much education can give the impression of someone that might be too obsessed with education or too academic, not so positive for some positions.
    If you look at the linkedin profile of the person I sent you, he is a freelance, I doubt anyone would want to hire someone with 10 doctorates from online schools.
     
  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    "Too many?" For what purpose? If it's earning money, the law of diminishing returns applies. After a certain number, the extra financial return on another degree earned, vs. cost -- will result in a negative ROI. That's the "too many" point.

    That'll be at a different number of degrees, depending on the field, quality and cost of each - and how they correspond with what the holder does for a living.

    If it's for love of learning in general, or a specific subject -- get whatever number you can afford. But watch you don't earn the same degree five times. That's spinning your wheels. Aside from these two considerations - go for it.
     
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  19. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I don't have any study to back this up but I have a strong feeling that after 4 or 5 degrees, your CV starts becoming undesirable. This means that after some level, not just there is no positive effect but negative. You can be seen as too arrogant, too disconnected with the real world, too this and that.
    What is the feeling of the person with 60 degrees? Do you feel like hiring him just to do some accounting for you? Can you hire him to be a mystic and give some yoga lessons because his Metaphysical degrees? At some point, people do not want to hire you for anything because you know everything but nothing at the same time.
     
  20. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Even then, I think Rich's assessment is correct. A CS degree earned in 2013 from the South Dakota School of Mines would contain the following courses (I stripped out the electives):
    • ENGL 101 Composition I
    • MATH 123 Calculus I
    • MATH 125 Calculus II
    • MATH 225 Calculus III
    • CSC 150/150L Computer Science I/Lab
    • CSC 250 Computer Science II
    • CSC 110 Survey of Computer Science
    • CSC 251 Finite Structures
    • CSC 300 Data Structures
    • ENGL 279 Technical Communications
    • ENGL 289 Technical Communications II
    • CSC 314/314L Assembly Language/Lab
    • MATH 315 Linear Algebra
    • PHYS 211 University Physics I
    • CSC 372 Analysis of Algorithms
    • MATH 381 Introduction to Probability and Statistics
    • CSC 317 Computer Organization and Architecture
    • CSC 461 Programming Languages
    • CSC 470 Software Engineering
    • CSC 484 Database Management Systems
    • CSC 421/521 Graphical User Interfaces with Object-Oriented Programming
    • CSC 456 /456L Operating Systems/Lab
    • CSC 465 Senior Design I
    • CSC 467 Senior Design II
    Calculus hasn't changed in a long time. Nor has Physics I, Probability, Computer Architecture, or the fundamentals of Operating System Design. Data Structures and Algorithms are likely to be the same too. The Survey of CS course is out of date, as would the Graphical User Interfaces course. The Database Management course principles would be the same, but the database they trained on would likely be different.

    You'll need to learn the syntax for whichever programming language is most common once you start job hunting (in 2013 it was C followed by Java, in 2023 it's Python followed by Java) but the fundamentals have stayed the same. Someone with a degree earned a decade ago who has no experience would struggle to the same degree as someone who earned one this year. Both would make themselves employable by doing some projects.
     
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