What if the Electors Change their Vote on Monday? Could Hillary Reach 270?

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by RAM PhD, Dec 17, 2016.

  1. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    All I got from that noise is the fact DNC staffers liked Hillary over Sanders. Which is a surprise for precisely no one, including perennial Independent Sanders. Also, this underscores the underreported fact that people who actually know Hillary tend to like her quite strongly.

    In fact, Hillary won the primaries by getting more votes in key states.

    "Saddled" is a good word here, a passive verb. As in, people spent a lot of time, effort, and money to "saddle" Clintons with all these scandals. Actual facts seem to amount to less than what people routinely forgive other politicians for, or completely fabricated. I mean, Bill gets away with stuff that sticks to Hillary, even though he was the one committing the deeds (womanizing or the Crime Bill, or Whitewater, to name just a few).

    Well, she would have been a fine pick then too. There's a difference in the ability to win a job or do a job. BTW, research shows that women are particularly handicapped in the former.

    That's a happy thought.
  2. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

    I love this election. Seriously, I'm not *super old* but this has been the most passionate in my lifetime for sure.
  3. Life Long Learning

    Life Long Learning Active Member

    More Dems defected than "R's today voting.
  4. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator Staff Member

    Let me guess....Breitbart forced Hillary at gunpoint to put a non-secure email server in her basement, then use it for official government business, and then lie under oath about it to Congress?

    Hillary was the worst, most corrupt, most dishonest Presidential candidate in the history of politics. That, combined with her inability or unwillingness to listen to what concerns average Americans (it's not transgendered bathrooms), is why she wasn't elected.
  5. b4cz28

    b4cz28 New Member

    Is that a joke? Did Washington sell his farm or other properties? How have the Obama's accumulated millions?

    What about the Clinton Foundation???

    You need to stop drinking the kool-aid bro.....HRC has taken more foreign money ever!
  6. TomE

    TomE New Member

  7. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Comey: "We have no basis to conclude she lied to the FBI" .
    Do you realise that having "non-secure" home server for work is actually more prudent than to use a third-party commercial mailbox (which is serviced by who knows who) for work as Colin Powell had? Both Secretaries used outside tech for the same reason: to bypass the shambolic government IT; Clinton peeps went overboard by putting everything on one server, to accommodate a technophobic old lady who was only comfortable using that one slightly outdated Blackberry phone. That's it. Bad, but not criminal. This actually describes vast majority of Clinton scandals over the decades.
    Compare this to Petraeus, who removed secret documents (including operational details and secret identities) to give it to an unauthorized person, hid them in his home, and lied about them to the investigators. Still, that was only a "misdemeanor".
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  8. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Did Washington make money renting his farm to foreign diplomats? Remember, he also owned slaves: should Trump buy some?
    How DID Obamas accumulate millions? Note how you actually CAN answer this question because they SHARE THEIR TAX RETURNS.

    What about Clinton Foundation? Last I checked, it was A-rated global charity. What about Trump Foundation?

    Actually, one of the biggest foreign donors to Clintons is from Ukraine: Viktor Pinchuk. The guy engages in all kinds of philanthropy to improve his image; he made his money in the late 90ies to early 2000s by buying government-owned companies while married to the President's daughter (when one of his last deals was reversed, Ukraine later sold that steel mill for 600% more money). Yet, I never heard that he got anything other than positive press out of his million-a-year Clinton Foundation donations. He also brought Bill to his Yalta Economic Summit (presumably paying plush speaking fees). Similarly, big shots in that part of the world might pay half a million to Jennifer Lopez to attend their daughter's birthday. Putin and Kadyrov buy washed up movie stars for the same reason; these are status symbols
  9. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator Staff Member

  10. jhp

    jhp Member

    wrong sub.
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  11. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Foreign diplomats checking in at the Trump Plaza in DC are 100% sure picking other accommodations would displease President Trump. Some think "wow, back at home the Great Pumba at least have the decency to own these things through a Cyprus offshore, or a son-in-law with different last name. I guess they're more blatant in America".
    This is exactly the thing Emoluments Clause was supposed to prevent. And this is just a small thing: reportedly Turkey already holds Trump business associate hostage hoping to extract favours. Yippee!
  12. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator Staff Member


    Reportedly by whom? What is your source, and do you have a link to said source?
  13. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

  14. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Is there really any doubt that the Chinese grab of the underwater drone was a direct response to Trump's diplomatic gaffe/phone call to the President of Taiwan (where he's building a hotel)?
  15. jhp

    jhp Member

    Yes, there is.
  16. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Even if you think that the president of the U.S. should let the Chinese Politburo tell him whose phone call he can take, that doesn't mean it was a "gaffe".

    And while it's a reasonable guess that that's why the Chinese grabbed the UUV, that doesn't mean there's not "any doubt".
  17. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    Compared to Grant, Harding, and Nixon?
  18. Davewill

    Davewill Member

    It takes two to tango. After the Republicans ignored Obama's Supreme Court nominee for nearly a year, I see zero reason to play nice anymore.

    Trump is a dangerous demagogue, and belongs nowhere near any position of public trust, much less be "leader of the free world". This liberal has absolutely zero intention of treating him as legitimate or his election as normal. I'm firmly convinced he's in Russia's pocket, and suspect that evidence will come out proving it. I also believe that he will use the office to enrich himself and his family. I have no idea whether the country will recover it's sanity enough to do anything about, however.
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  19. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    The story is that she called him with congratulations and that he accepted the call. Said also is that the call wouldn't have been made without the acceptance being assured.
  20. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Yes, I heard that story too. It's veracity is unclear to me as it was stated after the call was identified as a big mistake. In any case, I'm pretty sure the Chinese don't care who initiated the call, just the fact that it occurred is enough to cause a (small) problem.

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