University of Phoenix's accreditation

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by speedoflight, Feb 9, 2001.

  1. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Wouldn't it be more simple to admit a mistake rather than invent one-person spelling rules?

    I know I'm bordering on ad hominem comments. However, I find it offensive for someone to waltz in, get in people's "faces," all while hiding behind an anonymous persona. Then again, it can't be ad hominem if there is not a real person to confront, right?

    Rich Douglas (not my real name [​IMG] )
  2. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator Staff Member

    Cogent (aka "anonomous"), I'm sure you can make your argument without resorting to personal attacks. Just a friendly reminder.

  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    To which "academics" do you refer? I'm not aware of any full-time academics (but there certainly may be) participating on a regular basis. There are many of us who've taught at colleges and universities--probably part-time, but that's hardly the same.

    It is simple to set up "straw man" issues/arguments to rail against, and then to knock them down. It is equally useless.

    Rich Douglas, who finds presidents lying about their sex lives or lying about their cocaine use and drunk driving convictions equally banal, and OT.
  4. speedoflight

    speedoflight New Member

    People want to get into Harvard and ivy league schools for all kinds of reasons. Sometimes getting an education unfortunately, is not their top priority. And yes you are right that being smart isn't a criteria that gets you into such places. It's who you know and how much money you come from. I wouldn't doubt that somewhere at the back of certain admission officers' minds is that you probably won't fit in with the crowd if you came from a poor family, no matter how bright you are.

    I think it's time people come to leave the elite mentality of "anyone from Harvard" is smart and must be very good at what they do. There's a lot of very successful people who never went to such schools. There's also a lot of them who never went to college.

  5. JimLane

    JimLane New Member

    To refresh your mind, definitely not cogent, here is the post of yours which was referred to. Or os that you simply do not read what you write? Hint: look for the *****s.



    Registered: Feb 2001
    <> posted 07-16-2001 07:13 AM [Click Here to See the Profile for cogent] [Reply w/Quote] Look, I am anonomous because of all the nuts out there. Secondly, I am an experie nced college instructor whose first job was NOT teaching at UOP. I could say there is a bit of inflation everywhere but NOT as much as I've seen at UOP. It is flat out in your face there. It is because of the sales nature of the place.

    ***** Students expect their grade in five or six weeks.

    Their grade better be an "A." Because of the blatant sales nature of the place, faculty were merely seen and treated as salesmen, "Where is my grade? I ordered an "A" and you gave me a "B" and it took you longer than five minutes. I can get an "A" at McDonald's in under a minute!" From the top, the pressure is intense to "please the customer." Give 'em what they want. How does Apollo do it? Keep salaries as low as you can, in part.

    snip of cogent's paranoia and unsubstantiated claims, thus fiction . . . .


  6. lovi

    lovi New Member

    Dear triggersoft:

    Could you tell me in which issue of "Die Welt" the article about Apollo university was? At least approximately? The search engines on their Web site cannot search the _printed_ issue; and the Welt's staff tell me they only find a small notice.

    Please mail to [email protected]

    Thanks in advance!

    Joern Loviscach

  7. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    I just signed up at UOP for a masters in organizational management. We’re three weeks into our first class in an 18 month program. I did some searching on the internet to research the credibility of UOP and I found this thread (just now). After reading this thread, I’m a little nervous about being tagged as a UOP graduate! You guys have just lambasted UOP.

    This first class is ridiculously easy. I’ve never had a class this easy, so I see where some of you are coming from. I’m ordering an “A” for this first class. [​IMG] After I finish this 18 month course, I think I’ll keep silent about being a UOP graduate. I work in the government and an accredited degree is all that counts. The computer will merely say, “Master of Arts” (it won’t say from where)!
  8. JimLane

    JimLane New Member

    Considering that you are 1/36th of the way through the program and in your first class, give it some time.

    MA's in business are generally less rigorous than MS's or MBA's.


  9. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    After reading this thread, I am concerned that the UOP is a diploma mill, regardless of its proper regional accreditation. Perception is everything.

    After spending $18,000, I would hate to have someone laugh at me after I tell them I’m a UOP graduate. [​IMG]
  10. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    UOP Masters in Organizational Management
    Before I go too deep into UOP, it’s not too late for me to change my mind. In your opinion, are there other DL programs that I should look into?
  11. Lewchuk

    Lewchuk member

    The area of psychology (and organizational psychology) is not my forte but there is a very reasonably priced DL masters degree in organizational behaviour from the University of London (definetly no degree mill and you definetly will not be laughed at). I beleive a poster named Earon is enrolling in the program... why don't you post a separate note and query this program.
    Incidently, there are very few DL degree anywhere that can compete with respect to prestige.

  12. drwetsch

    drwetsch New Member

    I wouldn't go to the point of classifying UoP as a diploma mill. They are aggressive in their growth and are a for-profit organization. This doesn't sit well with many in academe which, in my opinion, is why you will see comments that are very positive as well as very negative about UoP.

    They do have proper accreditation and like most programs course difficulty will vary based on the type of course and the instructor. They are expensive and many students have reimbursement provided by their employers.

  13. Yan

    Yan New Member

    Birkbeck College of the University of London offers MSc in Organizational Behaviour and MSc in Occupational Psychology. Both programs are DL programs. The cost for the program is around $5,500.

    If my memory is good, Earon opined that the program was boring. I don't have experience in this program myself.

    The related links are:
  14. Lewchuk

    Lewchuk member

    Many people have difficulty terming a RA school a diploma mill... perhaps diploma factory would be more accurate.

  15. Lewchuk

    Lewchuk member

    If my memory serves my correctly he said that someone advised that he may find it boring since he has already published works in the field... I highly doubt any novice would find it boring (everything I have seen from UoL is of very high calliber academically).

  16. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    Kansas State University offers a distance education program leading to a Master's Degree in Industrial/Organizational Psychology.

    Gus Sainz
  17. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    What the heck. I'm going to finish it out and be a UoP graduate. It will be my 3rd degree and probably my last one!
  18. drwetsch

    drwetsch New Member

    Yes, and there should be difficulty, because unlike what we typically term a mill all RA schools undergo independent evaluations by the accrediting body. The utility of the UoP degree will always be much better than a U.S. non-RA degree.

    As we all know not all RA schools are equal (as are schools in any educational system)and so it comes down to the learner who can afford the degree and a determination as to how far the UoP degree will carry them. I would bet much farther than a Cal Coast degree or a degree from a true mill. Hence, regardless of the reputation you want to place on UoP I would argue that a degree mill/factory is carrying it too far.

  19. JimLane

    JimLane New Member

    If you are convinced that UoP is a degree mill, as said in your post above, the only question I have for you is, why haven't you bailed right now? Why the hesitance? If I thought I was attending a degree mill and that people would laugh at my degree, I would be outta there yesterday, if not last week. No ifs, ands or buts.

    Now, why don't you put your hands in your back pockets and then ask people who are in hiring positions in the industry you are thinking of working in, what their policy is vis-a-vis UoP and get past conjecturing. The most important view of a UoP degree is yours, next are the views of the entities you will be spending your carrer in and last is anyone else. Let them laugh while you are on the way to the bank.


  20. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    I am leery about attending any private school, particularly when it is for profit because what is to prevent the lust for the almighty dollar from watering down the academics so that it will generate a greater cash flow? The end result is a watered down reputation too. What inducements are there to prevent a for profit institution from becoming a cash cow, except for maybe the rigors of maintaining regional accreditation? Having said that….

    A state university will not go out of business and the degrees that are issued will be valid and recognized 50 years from now. Will the UoP still be in existence 50 years from now or will it be a 50 year cash cow and then go bankrupt, unlike the state schools? I don’t know! The inducement to generate cash isn’t a priority in the state university system, as it is in a for profit school. For these state reasons, I contemplated attending a state university for a masters degree.

    So why haven’t I jumped ship and fled UoP? For several reasons:
    1) I work for the government and nobody cares where I graduated from. All the government cares about is: ”Is it regionally accredited?”
    2) The ease of DL is extremely appealing. Instead of sitting in class for three hours a week, I can be studying or researching. I have completed around 175 college credits (the old fashioned way – sitting in a classroom) and I’d estimate that 95% of them were administered via boring professors from whom I learned little to nothing. In all of my technical classes, it was I who did the legwork. So, if I’m not learning anything from 95% of these guys, why not give an accredited DL program a count since it is recognized by my government?
    3) I may or may not pursue another degree after finishing the UoP. (I know I said otherwise in an earlier post, but it’s sort of addicting).

    I did and nobody cares. The common response I get is, ”Is it accredited? That’s all that matters.”

    Good point! I am sort of biased and am in favor of the state university system, although I have never attended it.

    I got an A.A. degree from a community college, which was ridiculously easy and I finished a B.S. degree from a private college, which was very hard. I just have this stigma about private schools.

    Another good point because I anticipate it will open doors that would otherwise be shut!

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