Université Francophone Robert de Sorbon

GMAIL or KCFILE, Which is It!

Gmail, Kcfile, or Whatever,

There are an awful lot of diploma mill hunters on this website. Most of them are here for the purpose of killing the supposed diploma mills, not supporting their existence. I would then like to ask why are yoi in favor of Sorbon?

I was interested in their program for several months until I received the previously posted email on this thread, which showed their accreditor, AUAP and them using the same website to forward mail. This is extremely suspect. They denied to me that they were a diploma mill and asked me to state it here, but quickly refunded the $60.00 evaluation fee to shut me up.

They may be affraid the word will get out to government officials and either shut down AUAP or block the use of Sorbon's credentials from being used. I am not complaining with the fact I got my money back though. When I saw the truth previously stated, I quickly apologized to members of this board for disagreeing with them and posted the evidence in BLACK AND WHITE (OR SHOULD I SAY GREY).

The point is, consider all that has been posted here, and do your research. How many graduates has Sorbon had in their existence? And by the way, when were they established? Look very carefully before you drop the money, however small it may seem, and find yourself a degree program that will be recognized. Listen to the Senior Members here, and do your homework first. Find an institution that is respected and known.

Sincerely,

Ray

 

Ray: Attaboy!

 

Why are you distorting the truth again !

Dear Bill Hoffman,

Again an unfounded personal accusation !

May I ask you who started in this forum a thread called "Should we accept the VAE" much before Mr Dayson, on 10-03-2004 04:59 PM ?

It started with:
10-03-2004 04:59 PM

It is an important question (lets put Sorbon aside ..)

ME GMAIL !!!

Your contempt for people that does not share all your opinions makes you blind or did you not look at it?

I will accept however your apology if you are an honest person.

 

Why are you distorting the truth again !

Dear Bill Hoffman,

Again an unfounded personal accusation !

May I ask you who started in this forum a thread called "Should we accept the VAE" much before Mr Dayson, on 10-03-2004 04:59 PM ?

It started with:
10-03-2004 04:59 PM

It is an important question (lets put Sorbon aside ..)

ME GMAIL !!!

Your contempt for people that does not share all your opinions makes you blind or did you not look at it?

I will accept however your apology if you are an honest person.

 

You gmail! Me Tarzan!

Starting a thread means you're not a shill? Just how dumb do you think we are? Besides, if you're so ejjicated, why is verb agreement largely unknown to you? (In the US and France, this is usually covered in elementary school.) You come on here. You abuse everybody that doesn't blindly accept your patter. And then you try to slither on to the moral high ground?

The French have a word for this.

 

GMAIL IS NOT PHD or KC file or Michal or Bush

Sorry Ham, I can not confirm your paranoia.

I am not the two other people contrary to what you wrote. I am only myself and trust me from what you wrote about me daily, it is already difficult to assume.

Is it impossible that more than one person could disagree with you?

Stop the personal attacks, Lets discuss between adults...

 

Re: You gmail! Me Tarzan!

Uncle Jancko I was responding to somebody who wrote that I had no interest in the real VAE as I did not contribute to a thread. I pointed out that he was wrong and that I started one before Dayson thread.
AM I RIGHT OR NOT ON THOSE FACTS ?

I do not think that I abused anybody but if I did please accept my apology.

I received to the contrary a lot of abuse... even from you, I am afraid.

I think that I agree to disagree, which is a constitutional right (which was probably taught to me in pre-kindergarten class).

What is "ejjicated" I am so dumb and uneducated, that I cannot see it on the Webster?

By the way Shill is also not in the Webster as they do not use slang used by compulsive gamblers...(compère-baron in French if I am correct)

I am leaving to teach and I will start a new tread, not on Sorbon I swear...

 

Re: Why are you not open minded like me?

As a PhD student, you might want to provide more support for this statement.

What are the requirements to be registered as an institution of higher education in France?

Is there any quality assurance involved in this process?

Can anyone register an institution like this or do you require to satisfy any specific requirement?

I don't know in France, but in Quebec (law is based on the French system) there is a hughe difference between being registered as an institution of higher learning and being recognized by the minister of education. Registration normally means to fill up some forms and pay some taxes while the latter means to satisfy a number of requirements as faculty credentials, facilities, libraries, etc.

What Ham means as being a "karate school" is that they are registered as a legal educational entity but they are not recognized by the ministry of education or the education authority in France to grant degrees.

I read that Sorbon is run from a House basement and the only employee that they seem to have is Michael.


As for your assesment of the VAE process done by Sorbon. You must recognize that your research has bias since it was given to you by the owner of the school. You would need to prepare a case study that can be validated from different sources as questionnaires, interviews from students, surveys etc in order to come with some more valid results. Having one case study given by the same onwer of the school is highly questionable for research purposes.

 

Re: Why are you distorting the truth again !

My name is Huffman, not Hoffman.

You're either being overly sensitive or you're just being obtuse but I did not make any personal attack. I was simply making an observation that based on your posts, you are not actually interested in the VAE process. The thread that you started up did not address the VAE process as much as it was just another vehicle for you pontificate more false arguments in support of this degree mill.

 

Thanks

Hi,

I have to leave to teach my students, but I agree most of the time with you. It is so refreshing not be systematically insulted.

The Quebec system was inspired by the French but differs now especially with the CGEP (college) which is "in the middle" a nightmare in equivalencies. It is the same with the Law... Since Voltaire ("Ces quelques arpents de neige") a lot of water went under the St. Laurent bridges...

France, prior to 2000, had as said in this Forum by another member had a list of accredited Universities, Institution etc. It was abrogated and it does not exist no more. You have Public universities, Grandes Ecoles, Consular institutions, Private établissements d'enseignement supérieur, etc.

Sorbon is definitely a registered établissement d'enseignement supérieure from France

I do not think that my view of one student was biased

1) I told the truth and did not lie on the source.


2) I always said that I saw only one case, which could be "sugar coated" as Dan rather said.

People write things, which may be wrong, I can tell you that they are not in a basement but a nice XVIº century fortified farm that I will enjoy to own but is too much expensive for my stipend.

3) Most of their students came from France, which could be reassuring.

l'Ecole Supérieure De Sorbon has more than 1 employee, I met 5 and they have many professors PhD holders. (I did not check their credentials however)
Bye

 

Stop the personal attacks, Lets discuss between adults...

i love you, too and i want four children to call our own...

HOWEVER

before that, i'd like to hear about the following:
1 RDS false claim they had appeared in the french govt gazette in the capacity of a university
2 the nationality of the outfit; where the degree granting power comes from.
I don't care it's headhunter's walkabout county that grants the degree: i just want a unambiguous answer.

What Ham means as being a "karate school" is that they are registered as a legal educational entity but they are not recognized by the ministry of education or the education authority in France to grant degrees.

Gmail purposefully behaves like those web intelligence programs.
Funny to play with.
However continuously making an issue about words.
Ex:
i want a beer
* define beer
hahahahahaha!

What are the requirements to be registered as an institution of higher education in France?

ya git gu ta dee city hull.
their ya'll found da meha'.
you sayz you wana band club.
he guna ask which club.
yadda repelee ya want a "gruuve" club...na waid a minnit...
Ya wanna "Ecole superiur".
Den ya payz im 50 euros fo da fee & ya git da postmark.

Is there any quality assurance involved in this process?

Shure.
ya write down to Bongo, my cousin.
Cleva dude ha!
He prints ya dat diplooma yet you must dish out da monney.
Sorry bro: no monney, no honey, ya'n'derstand?
He print paper 50 cents da shit: da coolest in town.
I do da proofredding.
Be where that it takes 56 weeks fo da shit to get to ya from Kamerun.

Can anyone register an institution like this or do you require to satisfy any specific requirement?

can't ya gist see wad ahm say'n?
Ya go to dee city hull & pay da fee to da meha.

I read that Sorbon is run from a House basement and the only employee that they seem to have is Michael.

heya bro..dun be mean cuz if ya wana get sticky, i can get sticky width ya, huh?

vive la escuela superieure robert da sorbom!

 

Somewhere, Maurice Duplessis is laughing his ass off.

Given the shill rotation among several names, you may BE more than one person. Learning to spell our names might be a first step toward credibility--or it might not. If Florida--or is it Grisons?--or it is Anjouan?--or is it the Comoros?--becomes a part of France, perhaps you would add merit to this discussion.

Ces quelques arpents de merde...

 

1) I told the truth and did not lie on the source.

what are your sources again, then?
precise NAMES please; real email addresses please so we all can write & get the same answer back.
" Robert Grattecul wrote to Harvard in 1998 & they said they're delighted such an upscale institution like RDS wants to do business with them ".
The above is rubbish:
i have a (very) big penis; 7 figures tax free income; 2 porsche & 1 limo in my villa with 3 inground swimming pools.


France, prior to 2000, had as said in this Forum by another member had a list of accredited Universities, Institution etc. It was abrogated and it does not exist no more. You have Public universities, Grandes Ecoles, Consular institutions, Private établissements d'enseignement supérieur, etc.

Was it world war III & i wasn't even present?
So you say there are no more french accredited universities?

http://www.education.gouv.fr/sup/univ.htm

what is this: encore le produit d'un météor?
they say: enseignement supérieur ( a word you seem to love sooooooo much ) , liste des universités.
They list even french polynesia, réunion etc etc but not the "prestigious" RDS?
I forgot you said such things are no longer in existence since 2000.

What a miserable individual.

I met 5 and they have many professors PhD holders. (I did not check their credentials however)

Sure.
They were all there ready to be corralled & paraded to showcase to some unheard of visitor they're real (despite what some idiot on degreeinfo loves to claim ).
Then i get 4 limousines & 6 swimming pools.

vive la escuela superieure robert da sorbom!

 

Re: Thanks

Again, this is too vague to come from a professional researcher. You did not answer my question "What it takes to be registered as "institution of higher learning in France?", Can we rely on this as proof of quality assurance?"


Who was your source for the case study? Who gave you this source? How did you conduct the research? How data was collected?


Mention the names of the 5 officials that you contacted at Sorbon?

Mention the name of at least some of faculty members that work full time at Sorbon and were at the location that you mention?

I find hard to believe that you met 5 people and met the faculty of a school that has been mentioned as running from a home address.

 

Quick response

You wrote "Mention the name of at least some of faculty members that work full time at Sorbon"

Look at their pages, but I am not sure they work full time...like many European scholars I met Michal, de la faide and Thomas , The Math professor and a secretary I do not remember her name. Should I ?

What I can tell you about the case study is that I get copies of the Emails and talk directly to the Math screener. I checked, he is also a faculty member of an accredited university.

HE WAS REAL AND VERY PROFESSIONAL PERIOD . No less no more!

Are you sure you are not going too far in your doubts?

You accept any writings and trust them at face value when it is within your views like"heard that it is School from a basement", which is incorrect and false

Then you lecture me about my way of reasearching... LOL

Then you order me, like a self proclaimed DA (please could be used ...) :

1) Mention the names of the 5 officials that you contacted at Sorbon? DONE

2) Mention the name of at least some of faculty members that work full time at Sorbon and were at the location that you mention? SEE ABOVE

3) I find hard to believe that you met 5 people

Answer YES I met them but how could I convince you?

Regards anyhow,

 

Hey gmail, I smell something here!!!!!!!!!

I found a picture of ya!


http://www.animationusa.com/wb02/wb136n.html

 

talk directly to the Math screener. I checked, he is also a faculty member of an accredited university.

Give us please his FULL NAME, SURNAME, WHERE HE TEACHES etc, so we can get in touch, ask a few questions & get the same reply you got.
Too bad you just can't remember, huh?
Was it Greg or Reg?
Jean or Han?
Come on already!

Answer YES I met them but how could I convince you?

you would not convince a drunk chimpanzee.

Look: here is not some ICQ chatroom where men pose as women; where everybody's a model or a millionaire & all that "sublimation" psycho-rubbish.
You can't demand credibility on the (supposed) fact you (supposedly) met someone named George who was a triple Ph.D.
How would you know?
You don't even remember his full name; where he works...yet you know he was serious & triple Ph.D?
That's just a claim of yours.
I once met Roger Moore in Venice (shooting some Bond movie ).
I really did but you have no way of knowing.
however
for all it matters, you might even trust me: who cares...
you can't expect the same condescendent attitude when it comes to university level degrees pursued career wise from a country foreign to the one the (supposed) degree comes from.

Sofar we've just had claims from RDS business peddlers.
Claims so outrageous people forge 67 aliases to foster them.
Now Ray1212 for one (whether or not a separate individual from other nicknames as i have no way of knowing ) just abjures it all wioth equal convinciment.

There are people who might be ready to put their career at stake buying a RDS "degree".
You understand it takes a lot more to convince them that confuse mention of exotic countries; of unheard of french terms; all topped up with your ( who? an e-individual after all ) guarantee you met someone named Richard in a farm. And this Richard (whose name just escapes you ) is a triple Ph.D & teacher at a top university whose name cannot be disclosed due to privacy policies.

Sorry, but this sounds too much like some spam messages about how much the couple saved who refinanced three times this summer; about the guy who invested 1000 & became millionaire in a fortnight through their proprietary forex daytrading scheme.
Answer: if they KNEW how to turn into millionaires using some patented forex trick, they'll keep for themselves, right?

 

Re: Re: Why are you distorting the truth again !

Dear Mr Huffman, sorry for the mistake on your name.


I simply replied to your unfounded accusation that I do not care really about the VAE. You complained that I did not reply "too ofte"n in a specific thread. I answer you that I generated e the first thread centered on the VAE (per se) without Sorbon, but concentrating on French Public Universities [/b


To ask if US universities should accept VAE degrees from French public Universities) ? is according to you another vehicule to pontificate more false arguments in support of this degree mill. .. Is Sorbon public ?

I am flabergasted ! Did look at the thread?

It was about VAE public French universities ?

I asked an important general question excluding Sorbon from the beginning about the recognition in the USA of this type of degree. It was very similar to the subject of the other topic.

I get and shared (one not the) answer . It came from one public State University in writing & it was: Yes

Could we be more civilized and polite in our exchange of ideas ?

For me I still think that :

1) I am an independant person, I do not use several names in that forum or in life.

2) Sorbon is not a fraud nor a diploma mill as far as I know. It could be questionable but their approach is interesting. Nobody is forced to do the VAE through them. Personally, I will not as I am in a regular curriculum...and 25...

Uff I start to pontificate with false arguments...man !

Regards

 

[
QUOTE]Originally posted by PhD_Cyberspace
Hey gmail, I smell something here!!!!!!!!!

I found a picture of ya!


http://www.animationusa.com/wb02/wb136n.html [/QUOTE]

Did you get your PhD Magna cum Laude at the NRUV (National Racist University of Vulgarity and Insensivity)?

Will you do the same type of funny (??) libel, if I was a black person ... By the way it is against a federal Law.

Sadly yours....

 

Re: Quick response

The old argument about rented star faculty as sign of quality. I once was listed as a faculty member in a school by just applying to it. To be credible, a school must have a list of faculty members with contact information otherwise I can just make up faculty from leading schools or enroll anyone that applies to the school.

I wouldn't expect you to remember the full names but at lest give us two full names of the head officials with email addresses and phone numbers so we can verify the story. If you are conduncting a study as part of your PhD, this would need to be made public in any case.

Which University? Name? email?

As Ham mentioned, this is the WWW and I can claim to be the king of England and unless you reference your work it won't have any credibility.

This was posted by another member as yourself so it has the same credibility of your statements unless you can substantiate yours with some proof.

The same way you would do on a dissertation (or yours), by providing full names with addresses, email and phone numbers of the person contacted for the research. If you are going to publish your dissertation this information would need to be public in any case.


You still did not answer my question about the procedure to register an "institution of higher learning in France".
Is it credible? Can we use it as a "golden" standard? What does it take to be registered?