Trump Apparently Idolizes Hitler

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  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Ivana Trump told her lawyer back in 1990 that Donald Trump kept Hitler speeches next to his bed and would frequently read and reread Hitler's speeches. It is not surprising that Trump's own speeches are sounding more and more like Hitler's speeches.

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/12/18/donald-trump-campaign-rhetoric-cnc-vpx.cnn

    Trump has said in the past that Hitler did a lot of good things. He has praised dictators around the world like Putin.
     
  2. Vicki

    Vicki Well-Known Member

    This is not suprising. He has been compared to Hitler often.
     
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  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Has he ever! This is about 2/3 of the first page of results from my search "Trump and Hitler comparison" I read somewhere that Trump can't stand being compared to Hitler. He sued CNN unsuccessfully over their comparison. So if he hates it -- we know what to do. :)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/13/how-trumps-rhetoric-compares-hitlers/https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2023/11/13/donald-trump-vermin-hitler-mussolini/71567397007/
    https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/trump-hitler-insurrection-autocracy-holocaust-january-6-20210127.html
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/20/politics/james-clyburn-trump-hitler-comparison/index.html
    https://www.newsweek.com/jimmy-kimmel-brutal-comparison-donald-trump-adolf-hitler-nazis-1844393
    https://www.npr.org/2023/11/17/1213684506/former-president-trump-faces-criticism-for-using-language-reminiscent-of-hitler
    https://ww.cbc.ca/news/world/clinton-trump-hitler-view-1.7024887
    https://www.amazon.ca/Donald-Trump-Adolf-Hitler-Comparison/dp/1530288630
    https://blogs.prio.org/2021/02/in-2016-i-identified-four-future-developments-that-would-justify-the-trump-hitler-comparison-here-are-the-results/
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-adolf-hitler-crowds-b2447248.html
    https://www.axios.com/2023/12/18/trump-immigrants-poisoning-blood-country-biden-hitler-comparison
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37895601
    https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2023/11/13/trump-hitler-vermin-nazi-biden
    https://tdkehoe.medium.com/thirteen-similarities-between-donald-trump-and-adolf-hitler-3a97a8055dde
    https://www.dailycommercial.com/story/news/local/2019/09/08/from-left-yes-there-are-parallels-between-trump-and-hilter/3457765007/
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/trumps-pick-pennsylvania-governor-says-sees-parallels-hitlers-power-gr-rcna33167
    https://scholarship.claremont.edu/cmc_theses/2623/
    https://www.cambridgeblog.org/2023/03/hitler-did-a-lot-of-good-things-trump-and-the-us-rehabilitation-of-nazism/
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/judge-rejects-trump-defamation-lawsuit-accusing-cnn-of-comparing-him-to-hitler/

    What is NOT funny - is that this man may AGAIN be President of the United States of America. It's quite likely - and for me, too horrible to comtemplate. Just how the hell? .... smh!
     
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  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Donald Trump's plan is the exact same plan that Hitler and Mussolini had when they were trying to get into power. That plan was to get the people to support them as dictators. "Our country is being destroyed by immigrants. Only I, Donald Trump, can fix it. I will be a dictator and save our country." For Hitler the pinnacle bad people were Jews. For Mussolini it was more complicated. He apparently didn't believe the racist nonsense that he spewed but did it anyway to consolidate his power. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_fascism_and_racism)
     
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    The pinnacle bad person today is Trump.
     
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  6. tadj

    tadj Active Member

    I think that there is a lot of truth to this;

    https://financialpost.com/diane-francis/donald-trump-bad-canada-not-as-bad-trudeau

    "a Trump presidency would not be good news for Canada, but not nearly as bad as Trudeau winning another election."

    A spate of recent articles in the United States have been speculating about how America will change if Donald Trump is re-elected in 2024. But there will be adverse changes in store for Canada, too.

    "For decades, the U.S. and Canada have been among each other’s biggest investors, suppliers and customers. But eight years of the Trudeau government has weakened Canada economically, turning it essentially into an autonomous economic region of the United States."

    "We still have a separate political system, which is, like California and New England, more socially liberal than most American states. But Canada is more dependent on its neighbour than ever before, because the Trudeau government has not shored up the country’s strength, economically or militarily. This has dramatically reduced our geopolitical importance."

    "...if a nationalistic and autocratic Trump wins next year, Canada will be merely a supplicant without heft. Trump will likely try to pull out of NATO, even though Congress just passed legislation to prevent this."

    "Trudeau’s excessive immigration levels are another drag on the economy because they have contributed to exorbitant housing costs and strained health-care systems. What the Liberals and NDP don’t comprehend is that when lots of people suddenly come, and cannot pull their weight economically, the size of the economic “pie” doesn’t increase proportionately, but is divided among more people."

    " Canada’s military forces are demoralized, short-handed and ignored by Trudeau’s government."
     
  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Obviously Conservative propaganda -- too bad a fair bit of it is true. Some isn't, as I see it -- e.g "when lots of people suddenly come, and cannot pull their weight economically" - is not what I'm seeing. I'm seeing working immigrants. And unemployed born Canadians.
    That "unable to pull their weight" might have been true for yesteryear's refugee claimants -- but not today. Lots of success stories among Syrians, for instance. Many brought money with them and established viable businesses. Many others almost immediately found jobs in businesses owned by Syrian- and other Arab-Canadians. They're a hard-working bunch, in general, and easy to get along with. I'm glad they're here. And - no lie - I tell them so.

    Yes - a large influx of new people will strain the rental market -- but that's in chaos here anyway - it has been, here in Ontario, since a previous Ontario Conservative Government (Mike Harris) monkeyed with the system. It has become a worse mess under Doug Ford.

    The so-called "Progressive Conservatives" are their own second-worst enemy. Their worst? Yours truly. :)
     
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  8. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    Immigrants to Canada are chosen mostly under a points system that assures fairly reliably they more than "pull their weight economically."

    In the same breath the columnist blames immigrants both for being economically unproductive and also for bringing so much money into the housing market that they've made costs exorbitant! That's ridiculous, "heads I win tails you lose" stuff.

    The Canadian health care system is most strained as to care for elderly and disabled people (which immigration criteria massively select against). It's also broadly least strained in major cities (which have immigrants in high proportions), most strained in rural areas (which have immigrants in low proportions).

    Fair comment. Also fair comment to say the military has been demoralized, short-handed, and ignored by every Canadian government Conservative and Liberal alike since at least the end of the Cold War.
     
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  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Personally, I don't care very much. I'd rather he wasn't returned to the White House. I'd prefer the Big House. But I don't have much skin in the game anymore. And I'm tired of striving to bring about what so many people simply don't want.

    I served my time in the barrel. 31+ years of public, federal service was enough. As a well-educated White male who is financially secure (mainly because of that public service), I'm letting it all pass me by. I read an article today that young people are disappointed in Biden. Fine. Whatever. Be disappointed. But they should be something else. They should be scared. What a President Trump will do to their futures is a devastating concept. Me? I have some rich clients to take care of and a history to write. I'll be long gone before the 21st century's version of the Brown Shirts comes knocking.
     
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I've seen it described as the "Schrödinger's immigrant" fallacy when nativist commentators complain both that immigrants are on the dole and taking jobs from those from that country.
     
  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    What I've seen here is that immigrants are willing to take jobs that born Canadians don't want. There are many life-long Canadians who prefer the dole to working at the low-wage jobs that are the only ones they are likely to get. For many younger immigrants, these are "right now" jobs. A way to live till they get something better, or, in quite a few cases, finish their MBA etc.

    Even though the minimum wage has doubled over the last few years, there are still businesses - like security, fast food, donut shops etc. that would have to close down, without ready-and-willing immigrant job-seekers. for many, it's the first rung on the ladder.
     
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  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I like this Canadian political discussion. Thanks for sharing.
     
  13. tadj

    tadj Active Member

    Well, Canada is certainly an outlier among immigrant countries. Australia and the UK seem to be slightly more responsive to the public. This piece comes from the pro-mass immigration and left-wing "Toronto Star":

    Canada, the U.K. and Australia all face immigration challenges. Why Canada's going a different way.

    Link: https://archive.is/UNUdx

    "While all three immigrant countries are struggling with immigration growth and labour/skills shortages in a volatile global economy, the policy responses from the Conservative government in London [UK] and Labour government in Canberra [Australia] cannot be more different from Ottawa's."

    "Earlier this month, the United Kingdom launched a five-point plan in an attempt to slash its net migration by 300,000 from 672,000 in 2023. Last week, Australia unveiled new measures aiming to halve its annual immigration intake in 2025 from a record 510,000 people this year. Like Canada, both countries are facing public pressures over housing shortages and the soaring cost of living."

    "In Canada, despite a growing pushback on high levels of immigration, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government has stayed the course to welcome 485,000 permanent residents next year and 500,000 in 2025."

    "In the U.K., officials are going to raise the minimum annual salary for a sponsored skilled worker by almost 48 per cent to £38,700 (except for health and care workers). They will reduce the number of qualifying occupations under the shortage occupation list that allows employers to bring in overseas workers below the set wage threshold. Those looking to sponsor their foreign spouses to the country are also seeing the required income level soar."

    "The migration levels today are not sustainable. They are too high," its Home Affairs Minister Clare O'Neil told Sky News recently. "It's very important that we maintain social license to continue to run a migration system. It's essential to our safety, our prosperity as a country."
     
  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Glad you like. Just wait till the French debate! :)
    What does that even mean - "maintain social license"? Be allowed by the people (i.e.voters)? "We must get enough votes to continue doing what we want?" I don't want Canada to take immigration cues from Australia. I remember the 'White Australia Policy." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy
    I've heard from people there who still believe in it and would like to see it back.
     
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  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Australia, by and large, doesn't like Brits (or Canadians) as immigrants - they're all "Pommy Bastards." Then again, Canada was the same, years ago. Brits (including me as a kid) were commonly referred to as "goddamn Chirpers." I don't know what they're called now - haven't met a recent British immigrant in at least a couple of generations.
     
  16. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That's dreadful. The required income level for this should be zero.
     
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  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I'd like some dole.
     
  18. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I wonder about that. Are there so many people that prefer to live off welfare than work?
     
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  19. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Good question. I'm sure there are studies.
     
  20. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    I find this a little hard to believe, if only because it depends on Donald Trump being an enthusiastic reader.
     
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